Thor & Wonder Woman run the gauntlet

Originally posted by h1a8
A "few" is not well defined. The mod also talked about random intervals of time (a day later).

By all means, try and get a mod to agree that the 4th post is too late.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Based on what? Zod's ship blast pushed back Superman, a being that can casually tow an icebreaker and survive a nuke. Cyborg mildly annoyed him, just look at his expression. Thor's lightning cloak has hurt nobody of note, so to say that it hurt Superman to the point of preventing him from attacking is a bit of a reach.

Superman withstood and overpowered the energy beam of the World Engine, which was flattening skyscrapers on the other side of the planet, and he was depowered when this happened. It's up to you to prove that Thor's lightning cloak is stronger than that.

Also, Wonder Woman is in the fight. Is Thor going to risk hurting an ally with an AoE attack? Seems a bit out of character to me. He didn't do that in IW or Endgame.

Cybrog's blast knocked Superman back a step. I never said Thor's lightning cloak will prevent him from attacking. Please don't make stuff up.

My point was that Thor's lightning will, at the very least, stagger him similar to how every single energy attack thrown at Superman was able to either slow him down or stagger him at the very least.

Now if you want to claim that Superman can completely ignore Thor's lightning and that it will completely not affect him, please show me a feat where Superman was not staggered or slowed down even a bit by an energy attack.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I don't understand why we are playing is bvs vs Justice League thing. We all know Superman was brand new at this so it would make sense for him to get more powerful throughout the movies literally like every other f****** superhero. Superman is going to get stronger and push his limits. Him, Diana, and Doomsday were all operating at what seemed equal speeds in BVS. And then he statues her in JL. A clear upgrade

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Originally posted by h1a8
How so? If IM developed a new energy blast and hurt Thor with it then how come it's not a feat for IM? Why would it be circular? Oh I see. Energy and physical strikes are not related. Got you.

Superman tanked HV blasts in which lesser HV has sliced an I-beam in one swipe. According to Newton's law of heating (cooling). The temperature of the HV was many times higher than that of melting structural steel.

Even if Superman didn't have any feats against energy then we can't say how powerful Zod's ship blasts or Cyborg blasts are just because they have no other feats. They both come from technology far above humans. And humans have some plucking powerful energy blasts.

You don't know what circular logic is do you?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Cybrog's blast knocked Superman back a step. I never said Thor's lightning cloak will prevent him from attacking. Please don't make stuff up.

My point was that Thor's lightning will, at the very least, stagger him similar to how every single energy attack thrown at Superman was able to either slow him down or stagger him at the very least.

Now if you want to claim that Superman can completely ignore Thor's lightning and that it will completely not affect him, please show me a feat where Superman was not staggered or slowed down even a bit by an energy attack.

I'm not saying it won't affect him, but I don't think it's going to be a serious issue for him. Now, a big lightning strike like the one he hit Thanos would definitely hurt Clark, but that's different.

And again, I don't see Thor turning on the lightning cloak with Wonder Woman near him unless he's completely out of character.

Originally posted by Psychotron
I'm not saying it won't affect him, but I don't think it's going to be a serious issue for him. Now, a big lightning strike like the one he hit Thanos would definitely hurt Clark, but that's different.

And again, I don't see Thor turning on the lightning cloak with Wonder Woman near him unless he's completely out of character.

It doesn't need to KO him or anything, just stagger him enough to stop him from speed blitzing Thor or at least stop him from always being in super speed. What will take out Superman is Thor's and WW's weapons.

Besides it's not like Thor and WW will be hugging each other while fighting. Thor's lightning can reach out and attack enemies but it doesn’t cover a huge area around him otherwise. WW can easily stand a few meters from him (which is more realistic in a weapons fight) without getting hit with his lightning.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You don't know what circular logic is do you?

I know what it is. I'm the king of pointing it out.
I gave a energy feat for Superman to show that the ones that staggered him were more powerful. How is that circular?

The onus is on you to prove that cloak lightning is at least as powerful as HV from DD.

Originally posted by h1a8
I know what it is. I'm the king of pointing it out.
I gave a energy feat for Superman to show that the ones that staggered him were more powerful. How is that circular?

The onus is on you to prove that cloak lightning is at least as powerful as HV from DD.

Actually you didn't provide anything. When has Superman ever tanked any HV blast that didn't slow him down?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Actually you didn't provide anything. When has Superman ever tanked any HV blast that didn't slow him down?

Originally posted by h1a8
Here's a logic for you to understand.
If a-beam is 100x greater than x-beam. And a-beam barely affected character then x-beam won't do jack shit to character.

Don't really have the patience to chase after your goalpost shifts.
If you have a feat where Superman is able to walkthrough an energy attack without it slowing him down or staggering him then please show it. Otherwise we have nothing to discuss.

Who's the strongest character his lightning cloak affected?

Also, lol at the notion that every energy attack have the same power behind them.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Who's the strongest character his lightning cloak affected?

Also, lol at the notion that every energy attack have the same power behind them.

His lightning cloak is made up of his lightning.

His lightning as slammed Thanos to the ground. Knocked Hela off a tower. Completely knocked Hulk flat on his ass.

But sure if you want a more specific example, he used his lightning cloak to knock Hela around a bit in their final fight.

And if you think we shouldn't assume that every lightning attack Thor throws is the same power, then we also shouldn't assume every attack Superman throws can be done at the same speed.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Don't really have the patience to chase after your goalpost shifts.
If you have a feat where Superman is able to walkthrough an energy attack without it slowing him down or staggering him then please show it. Otherwise we have nothing to discuss.

So you disagree with the logic that if a character is barely affected by an attack then they won't be affected by a significantly weaker attack?

Originally posted by FrothByte
His lightning cloak is made up of his lightning.

His lightning as slammed Thanos to the ground. Knocked Hela off a tower. Completely knocked Hulk flat on his ass.

And if you think we shouldn't assume that every lightning attack Thor throws is the same power, then we also shouldn't assume every attack Superman throws can be done at the same speed.

It's about intensity and SIZE. The bigger the bolt then the more powerful it is. It's not about it being made of the same substance lmao. Otherwise a little electric shock I get from putting a metal pin in the wall socket = who you are the God of again type thunderbolt.

Note : when you are debating from bias just to win and not from objectivity and concede to at least some things then you will lose credibility fast as your arguments will tend to get dumber and it will appear as if you are making shit up as you go along just to try to not lose the debate.

Originally posted by h1a8
So you disagree with the logic that if a character is barely affected by an attack then they won't be affected by a significantly weaker attack?

I believe in feats. If you want to claim that Superman won't be affected by an energy attack, please feel free to post a feat where he isn't affected by an energy attack.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Who's the strongest character his lightning cloak affected?

Also, lol at the notion that every energy attack have the same power behind them.

What is the strongest lightning Superman has been shown to tank?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What is the strongest lightning Superman has been shown to tank?

You implying that HV tanking is irrelevant to withstanding lightning.
Why not be more direct and say this? We can argue that point if that's the case. Your debating style is full of troll and flame. I have never seen you debate civilly and with respect. It's always in contempt.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I believe in feats. If you want to claim that Superman won't be affected by an energy attack, please feel free to post a feat where he isn't affected by an energy attack.

Here's the kicker. According to your logic, Thor will be affected by HV and every energy based attack that's less powerful than the star feat since he was affected in the star feat.

Lightning would also affect him differently as it has extreme heat and the electricity would mess with his muscles as well and Thor's lightning has impact force as it has launched people through the air.

Originally posted by h1a8
You implying that HV tanking is irrelevant to withstanding lightning.
Why not be more direct and say this? We can argue that point if that's the case. Your debating style is full of troll and flame. I have never seen you debate civilly and with respect. It's always in contempt.

Lightning has more properties than just heat, if you don't believe me. go and stick a fork in a electrical socket. or let someone hit you with a stun gun and then report back with your findings.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Lightning has more properties than just heat, if you don't believe me. go and stick a fork in a electrical socket. or let someone hit you with a stun gun and then report back with your findings.