Originally posted by -Pr-I think it's difficult for those who weren't almost 12 year old kids at the time to get it. I was almost 11 when it was first released in the UK.
"Something adults could watch too". Your words. And "kids" is a horrifically vague term. Hell, Lucas has flat out said that Star Wars was aimed initially at twelve-year old boys. That's not so true anymore, is it.The toys thing is a different argument, and nowadays has shifted dramatically.
Originally posted by ares834Survivor is not from the EU
😕Disney is still selling tons of stuff from the EU. Hell, currently the most anticipated SW video game is a remake from the EU. It's far from being forgotten.
As for Lucas's claim that the films are for kids, he's always been a a bit of a liar when it comes to his revisionism. Like his claim that Vader was always meant to be Anakin. Any film that is centered on political maneuvering and trade disputes is clearly not meant to be only for kids. Now whether it was good or not is a different matter entirely.
Originally posted by ares834This forum has been dying since 2009, it's presently probably got a wider variety of people posting than for a long time. I'm not talking about individual posters like Surt, TI or even me; I'm talking about volume of posters. In the working week, particularly, discussions happen. Not debates, discussions, most of us lost interest in debate years ago.
I know they aren't what they once were, but I can't stop going there for my video game news... It's a habit I can't break. Same reason why I post on this dying forum.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!I agree.
This forum has been dying since 2009, it's presently probably got a wider variety of people posting than for a long time. I'm not talking about individual posters like Surt, TI or even me; I'm talking about volume of posters. In the working week, particularly, discussions happen. Not debates, discussions, most of us lost interest in debate years ago.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I think it's difficult for those who weren't almost 12 year old kids at the time to get it. I was almost 11 when it was first released in the UK.
I'm not sure I know what you're getting at. Are you saying that when you originally saw it, you believed it was aimed at you? I mean, I don't think that's an unfair assessment. Star Wars has a very broad appeal. Or at least, it did back then and to be fair, does now.
Originally posted by -Pr-I'm saying in 1977, the cinema was mainly full of kids.
I'm not sure I know what you're getting at. Are you saying that when you originally saw it, you believed it was aimed at you? I mean, I don't think that's an unfair assessment. Star Wars has a very broad appeal. Or at least, it did back then and to be fair, does now.
Come on guys, Whirly's not being crazy here. SW was initially aimed largely at children in 1977 and it just grew into a something for everyone franchise.
IIRC, Lucas himself said similar in the 70s.
Edit: Found this: "It's aimed at kids - the kid in everybody" George Lucas, Star Wars and Children's Entertainment
SW is a family film not merely a kid's film. Hell, that very quote you posted essentially says as much. Now, yes, after the release of TPM Lucas did use the "it's for kids" excuse to deflect criticism, but I found such an argument to be entirely unpersuasive. As I said before:
Originally posted by ares834
As for Lucas's claim that the films are for kids, he's always been a a bit of a liar when it comes to his revisionism. Like his claim that Vader was always meant to be Anakin. Any film that is centered on political maneuvering and trade disputes is clearly not meant to be only for kids. Now whether it was good or not is a different matter entirely.
Originally posted by ares834As someone who watched it at the pictures in 77 and had a Darth Vader poster from the poster magazine (aimed at kids) on one wall and a Chewie poster from the poster magazine on another, bought Marvels Star Wars weekly (aimed at kids) with Warlock and Starlord interestingly as the back up strips. I can tell you 100% it was aimed at kids. For those of you who found it much later when it had become geek culture you may see it differently.
SW is a family film not merely a kid's film. Hell, that very quote you posted essentially says as much. Now, yes, after the release of TPM Lucas did use the "it's for kids" excuse to deflect criticism, but I found such an argument to be entirely unpersuasive. As I said before:
Originally posted by Robtard👆 Exactly
Come on guys, Whirly's not being crazy here. SW was initially aimed largely at children in 1977 and it just grew into a something for everyone franchise.IIRC, Lucas himself said similar in the 70s.
Edit: Found this: "It's aimed at kids - the kid in everybody" George Lucas, Star Wars and Children's Entertainment
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
As someone who watched it at the pictures in 77 and had a Darth Vader poster from the poster magazine (aimed at kids) on one wall and a Chewie poster from the poster magazine on another, bought Marvels Star Wars weekly (aimed at kids) with Warlock and Starlord interestingly as the back up strips. I can tell you 100% it was aimed at kids. For those of you who found it much later when it had become geek culture you may see it differently.
You've said this multiple times, but it's ultimately irrelevant to my point about the distinction between kid and family films. Pixar films are family films, Marvel films are family films, and yes SW films are undeniably films. They are films that can and are meant to be enjoyed by the whole family.
Whether or not SW is aimed primarily at kids or not is rather beside the point and ares looks like a butthead for getting caught up in arguing that irrelevant tangent. For the record I would say Star Wars' primary audience was probably kids, particularly the preteen/early teen demographic.
But being aimed at kids is no excuse for being bad. Plenty of things aimed primarily at kids are actually quite good, and we should demand more of art aimed at people in their formative years than this show. Avatar the Last Airbender, most Pixar films, and the DCAU are all examples of primarily kid-aimed works that stand the test of time and hold up as excellent works of entertainment that people of all ages can enjoy.
Does this show? Not at all based on the first episode but we'll see. ares brought up the chase scene and for good reason, it was laughable in its execution as these adult actors are obviously trying their best not to immediately just grab this little girl. You can literally see them trying to "run" as slow as possible so they don't immediately catch up to her lol. Chase scenes in these shows have all been terrible, like the car chase scene in the Boba Fett show.
Originally posted by NemeBro
But being aimed at kids is no excuse for being bad. Plenty of things aimed primarily at kids are actually quite good, and we should demand more of art aimed at people in their formative years than this show. Avatar the Last Airbender, most Pixar films, and the DCAU are all examples of primarily kid-aimed works that stand the test of time and hold up as excellent works of entertainment that people of all ages can enjoy.
Which is exactly what I was arguing. That's the distinction between a family film and a kid's film.