Originally posted by Psychotron
Kids were tougher back then. When I was growing up, I watched stuff like Terminator and Predator.
Yeah, same. And Aliens. I was not shielded from much as a kid when it came to films.
Originally posted by ares834
SW is a family film not merely a kid's film. Hell, that very quote you posted essentially says as much. Now, yes, after the release of TPM Lucas did use the "it's for kids" excuse to deflect criticism, but I found such an argument to be entirely unpersuasive. As I said before:
Really, GL's idea of 'for kids' is pretty unreliable. In ANH alone, there's burnt relatives, droid slavery, bra-less Leia, planetary genocide, exploding space fighters, barfights involving maiming, and our heroes shooting first before asking questions.
If you want to branch out to other films of the saga, or even GL's Indiana Jones (all stuff I binge watched as a kid and couldn't get enough of), none of it is G-rated. Which is the point. Having appeal to kids doesn't make it childish and immune from criticism.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Disney havent really aimed the saga at kids. Force Awakens target audience was clearly 40+ year old fans of the OT.
Nah, the sequel trilogy was aimed at everyone but the people who grew up with Star Wars. Doing a cheap rehash of the OT while shitting on Luke, Han and Leia was an attempt at getting new fans on board but it backfired. I know tons of hardcore SW fans who just don't care anymore. Including me.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Nah, the sequel trilogy was aimed at everyone but the people who grew up with Star Wars. Doing a cheap rehash of the OT while shitting on Luke, Han and Leia was an attempt at getting new fans on board but it backfired. I know tons of hardcore SW fans who just don't care anymore. Including me.
Agreed. The ST killed Star Wars for me. I enjoyed the Mandalorian, but really I could care less about the world anymore. It doesn't help that Disney invalidated decades of perfectly good or at least reworkable EU content just to pump out their own tired shit.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Nah, the sequel trilogy was aimed at everyone but the people who grew up with Star Wars. Doing a cheap rehash of the OT while shitting on Luke, Han and Leia was an attempt at getting new fans on board but it backfired. I know tons of hardcore SW fans who just don't care anymore. Including me.
Thats because they didnt get those characters. Or the lore.
But being that nostalgia heavy was clearly aimed at those who grew up on the OT. And it worked in that it brought the hype to the first one at least.
Where it backfired on them was when OT fans began to hate they way OG characters were being treated, and then they realised theyve not brought a new generation of fans to the franchise either. Oh f*** is what Kathleen Kennedy and Bob Iger thought when they came to that realisation.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Agreed. The ST killed Star Wars for me. I enjoyed the Mandalorian, but really I could care less about the world anymore. It doesn't help that Disney invalidated decades of perfectly good or at least reworkable EU content just to pump out their own tired shit.
To be fair they had to. Lucas mostly ignored the EU so it was too inconsistent to integrate. New Canon sucks and has many faults, but its overall far more consistent than it used to be.
But I agree they should have used the EU as inspiration for the sequels. Lukes Jedi Academy, Mara Jade, the new twins, all could have been integrated and made infinitely better sequels.
Apparently Reva's actress is getting a lot of hate, even racist comments, because of her lackluster perfomance. She surely isn't a gifted actress nor a memorable chracter and deserve to be criticised, but man SW community is so ****ing toxic with this behaviour, even in regards to Rose Tico years ago. Why can't these dumb people separate the actress from the character.
Originally posted by Total Warrior👆 Well said, I got sick of the star wars community way back when on star wars.com around 1996-1997.
Apparently Reva's actress is getting a lot of hate, even racist comments, because of her lackluster perfomance. She surely isn't a gifted actress nor a memorable chracter and deserve to be criticised, but man SW community is so ****ing toxic with this behaviour, even in regards to Rose Tico years ago. Why can't these dumb people separate the actress from the character.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Thats because they didnt get those characters. Or the lore.But being that nostalgia heavy was clearly aimed at those who grew up on the OT. And it worked in that it brought the hype to the first one at least.
Where it backfired on them was when OT fans began to hate they way OG characters were being treated, and then they realised theyve not brought a new generation of fans to the franchise either. Oh f*** is what Kathleen Kennedy and Bob Iger thought when they came to that realisation.
Call me cynical if you want but I believe that they knew what they were doing. From the begining, the idea was to shit on the straight white males. That's why Leia was the only one that wasn't a screw up and was still fighting the Empire, and why they wanted Leia to be Rey's teacher in RoS but Carrie's death mucked that up somewhat.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Call me cynical if you want but I believe that they knew what they were doing. From the begining, the idea was to shit on the straight white males. That's why Leia was the only one that wasn't a screw up and was still fighting the Empire, and why they wanted Leia to be Rey's teacher in RoS but Carrie's death mucked that up somewhat.
Even Leia was screwed up. Not being a Jedi or a politician.
They were probably just trying to promote their new characters, and Rey being the lead and the new Luke. They just didnt get what made Luke great.
Originally posted by Total Warrior
Apparently Reva's actress is getting a lot of hate, even racist comments, because of her lackluster perfomance. She surely isn't a gifted actress nor a memorable chracter and deserve to be criticised, but man SW community is so ****ing toxic with this behaviour, even in regards to Rose Tico years ago. Why can't these dumb people separate the actress from the character.
I guess Lucasfilms early warning of racism was spot on.
This episode was an improvement over the first two, I suppose... But that's not saying much. I did enjoy seeing
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Vader. He was treating this weaker Kenobi like a talentless feeb until their battle was cut short.
And we got a reference to
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Quinlan Vos... He is apparently still alive and well in this era.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
I'm saying in 1977, the cinema was mainly full of kids.
Hey, to be fair I never argued that it wasn't.
Originally posted by Galan007
This episode was an improvement over the first two, I suppose... But that's not saying much. I did enjoy seeingSpoiler:
Vader. He was treating this weaker Kenobi like a talentless feeb until their battle was cut short.And we got a reference to
Spoiler:
Quinlan Vos... He is apparently still alive and well in this era.
It needs to pick up more. Ewan's great delivery of sometimes dodgy dialogue will only help so much.
Vader being a monster was nice though.
Yeah this episode was definitely better. I liked how Vader looked awesome against this rusty Kenobi. But obviously the best part of the episode is the Quinlan Vos reference, 10/10 ign best episode ever for me just because of that. Btw Kenobi smiling and being visibly happy when he learned his old friend is alive and well was cute
Is this really the best they can do? It's so damn bland and uninspired. And the writing for this show is abysmal. Obi-Wan escaped because a fire blocks Vader but literally mere second before we see Vader effortlessly extinguish a fire... I get characters don't always use their powers when they should but that took it to the next level.