Superboy Prime vs Eternity

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Theres nothing explicit in that scene that gives much guidance on how that scene is to be interpreted. But based on DKs hinted plan to alter the 52 with a dark shadow version, I would say that killing this dark/evil version of Superman that DK had lined up for that reality, had the knock-on effect of enabling a good archetype to be instated instead.

Thats why SBP then came up with the plan to kill DK as viewing that change made him think killing the source of this corruption to the 52 would allow a similar change on a multiversal scale. So the good/anti-crisis versions of the 52 would be the ones cemented into a permanent new multiverse.

So it was again a knock-on effect of killing that dark archetype, whilst DC reality is in a turbulent/transitional state.

Again, the scene was ambiguous and open to interpretation, so im not going to say my interpretation is fact, yours has just as much value as mine at this stage with the limited info we've been given.
Lets wait and see what happens in the next issue.

Either way, theres zero conclusive evidence of a retcon punch, or innate reality altering ability. Its more the things he's hitting have been connected to the makeup of reality.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Even if SBP is the only one who can cause the changes in reality, that does discount the need for special for circumstances. I've always seen it as the combination of circumstances and the force of his punches.

Originally posted by Diesldude
That’s not m the point, why were realities only affected when sbp hit them and not when others did?

I know what your point is.

The difference is SBP appeared to kill or at least incapacitate that Superman with his attack. He then saw the good archetype take prominence in that reality and came upon the idea of taking the fight to DK and killing him like he did that dark archetype Supes so the effect could be multiversal.

None of the other Supermen were incapacitated or killed. Only SBP managed that from what we were shown. Thats the difference.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Furthermore didnt DK just inhabit the body of an alternate reality Dr Manhattan? So who is to say that said version had the exact same capabilities as the one we're familiar with?

And even if it was the exact same Dr Manhattan, merely possessing his body and powers doesn't make Dr Manhattans feats and showings attributable to DK.

We also cant say DK beat Perpetua, therefore SBP can beat Perpetua and anyone below Perpetua.

That's the most basic ABC logic.

Context has to be considered and taken into account. DK was battle weary, he even mentioned a reluctance to divert energy he had dedicated towards his plans to fighting SBP. How do we know if he did?

We could have had battle weary DK, with an unspecified amount of power diverted elsewhere fighting SBP.

On top of that look how DK was fighting SBP. Simple fisticuffs. What high level cosmic does that? It could be a sign of how battle weary he was.

The battle remains a good showing for SBP. But not enough for people to start elevating to ridiculous levels in the cosmic hierarchy.

The main takeaways are:

There's zero evidence of a "retcon punch"

Nothing to show his powerset is anything more than the standard kryptonian one just supercharged

DKs power status at the time is undetermined

Eternity would not fight SBP as incompetently as DK did. It would be through high level energy, time or reality manipulation.

Eternity is overkill for SBP.

Take it down some notches in the hierarchy and then it makes a worthwhile discussion point

Great post. Yeah, we all know Eternity smacks, its just the dc trolls being insecure about marvel cosmic beings being on a completely different level again 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Furthermore didnt DK just inhabit the body of an alternate reality Dr Manhattan? So who is to say that said version had the exact same capabilities as the one we're familiar with?

And even if it was the exact same Dr Manhattan, merely possessing his body and powers doesn't make Dr Manhattans feats and showings attributable to DK.

We also cant say DK beat Perpetua, therefore SBP can beat Perpetua and anyone below Perpetua.

That's the most basic ABC logic.

Context has to be considered and taken into account. DK was battle weary, he even mentioned a reluctance to divert energy he had dedicated towards his plans to fighting SBP. How do we know if he did?

We could have had battle weary DK, with an unspecified amount of power diverted elsewhere fighting SBP.

On top of that look how DK was fighting SBP. Simple fisticuffs. What high level cosmic does that? It could be a sign of how battle weary he was.

The battle remains a good showing for SBP. But not enough for people to start elevating to ridiculous levels in the cosmic hierarchy.

The main takeaways are:

There's zero evidence of a "retcon punch"

Nothing to show his powerset is anything more than the standard kryptonian one just supercharged

DKs power status at the time is undetermined

Eternity would not fight SBP as incompetently as DK did. It would be through high level energy, time or reality manipulation.

Eternity is overkill for SBP.

Take it down some notches in the hierarchy and then it makes a worthwhile discussion point

Sorry dear, we don't go on your fanfiction here.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I know what your point is.

The difference is SBP appeared to kill or at least incapacitate that Superman with his attack. He then saw the good archetype take prominence in that reality and came upon the idea of taking the fight to DK and killing him like he did that dark archetype Supes so the effect could be multiversal.

None of the other Supermen were incapacitated or killed. Only SBP managed that from what we were shown. Thats the difference.

You can see that the others were getting hit but only sbp was able to affect reality. He was also the only one aware of the changes being made after he made them.

Originally posted by Diesldude
well the implication of that is that 1.it’s spb. If he has something to hit he can manip reality at multiversal scale.
2. If there is anything at all special about the objects, then eternity, is someone begging for sbp to hit and manipulate.

Yeah no, you're still an idiot, being that Eternity body is a abstract form superboy prime doesn't have a target in that sense 😂 It's always great to see you act like you know what you're talking about.

Looks like Connor incapacitated his guy.

Originally posted by abhilegend
LMAO, what an idiotic post filled with outright fanfiction. DK outright said he can't beat Prime and he was at full power after realigning the Earth.

Sorry dear, we don't go on your fanfiction here.

Why do you always start with the insults? The man is being civil.

Originally posted by Diesldude
The comic does not say incapacitate or kill. It’s pretty clear here. All he has to do is hit them.

You can see that the others were getting hit but only sbp was able to affect reality. He was also the only one aware of the changes being made after he made them.

But that blow he references appears to be a killing blow.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah no, you're still an idiot, being that Eternity body is a abstract form superboy prime doesn't have a target in that sense 😂 It's always great to see you act like you know what you're talking about.

Originally posted by Diesldude
The comic does not say incapacitate or kill. It’s pretty clear here. All he has to do is hit them.

You can see that the others were getting hit but only sbp was able to affect reality. He was also the only one aware of the changes being made after he made them.

Bro did you miss this part of my post:

Originally posted by GalacticStorm

Again, the scene was ambiguous and open to interpretation, so im not going to say my interpretation is fact, yours has just as much value as mine at this stage with the limited info we've been given.
Lets wait and see what happens in the next issue.

Relax. At this stage all we know is the change happened after SBP incapacitated that evil superman

Originally posted by TheHulkster
But that blow he references appears to be a killing blow.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Looks like Connor incapacitated his guy.

Not one of the dark Supermen archetypes

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Bro did you miss this part of my post:

Relax. At this stage all we know is the change happened after SBP incapacitated that evil superman

And I’m cool, Trollberto is just an asswipe, and that’s the only way to explain things to him.

Originally posted by Diesldude
nope I did not because there is nothing ambiguous here. We see only sbp making changes to reality while others did not.

And I’m cool, Trollberto is just an asswipe, and that’s the only way to explain things to him.

Bro. Listen to what you just said. SBP triggered a change to a reality that the others did not.

What did the others also fail to do? Knock out one of the dark superman archetypes. And what is the change thats visualized in that altered reality after SBPs attack? A good Superman archetype flying through a city.

Your retcon punch isnt conclusive. Its your interpretation. Conclusive would be an accompanying caption "Superboys reality altering punch altered the dark earth causing a good superman to replace the fallen dark archetype"

See the difference?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not one of the dark Supermen archetypes

As i said, it could simply be him taking out that dark superman. Thats something the others didnt do so it could explain why he was able to bring about a change and the others didnt. My interpretation of that scene and your interpretation both arent conclusive as neither are backed by character speech or comic captions confirming what actually took place. Its an ambiguous scene

Lets see what extra info we get as the story develops 👆

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
As i said, it could simply be him taking out that dark superman. Thats something the others didnt do so it could explain why he was able to bring about a change and the others didnt. My interpretation of that scene and your interpretation both arent conclusive as neither are backed by character speech or comic captions confirming what actually took place. Its an ambiguous scene

Lets see what extra info we get as the story develops 👆

Originally posted by Diesldude
it doesn’t have to be dark supermen archetypes. It’s imaginary story reject. Anyone from DK’s dark multiverse.

Either way, theres no conclusive evidence for any retcon punch or reality altering capability. It could very well just be the circumstances hes been in as discussed