Originally posted by Diesldude
I’ll agree to disagree 👆
No problem bro. But without conclusive evidence of a retcon punch its not something that comes into the equation in a forum battle and without confirmation of DKs capacity when he fought SBP, you cant use said battle to place SBP at his level.
Its a case of wait and see.
Originally posted by Diesldude
when I hit, not when I kill or incapacitate. And my next post shows Conner knocking out his guy. Like I said only sbp affected reality and only he saw the changes he was making. Conner didn’t that’s why he thought sbp was running from the fight.
If Conner had made changes, he would have seen the changes and known spb wasn’t running
"When I hit" not "because I hit". He surmises from that that killing Bats will undo what Bats has done. Why not surmise that from just hitting him?
Also, does Bats Who Laughs get his power from an alternate reality Manhattan? I saw that mentioned in the thread.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
"Kiss" was supposed to be "loss".
Yes its a Batman who the BMWL put events in place to ensure the accident that made Dr Manhattan who he is, happened to this Bruce Wayne. He then incapacitated him before he got his bearings and then stored the body away until he could make use of it.
Therefore the feats of the DM we know arent attributable to this DM.
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Yes its a Batman who the BMWL put events in place to ensure the accident that made Dr Manhattan who he is, happened to this Bruce Wayne. He then incapacitated him before he got his bearings and then stored the body away until he could make use of it.Therefore the feats of the DM we know arent attributable to this DM.
Thanks for the info.
Originally posted by abhilegend
LMAO, what an idiotic post filled with outright fanfiction. DK outright said he can't beat Prime and he was at full power after realigning the Earth.Sorry dear, we don't go on your fanfiction here.
Can you show the forum where it states explicitly and conclusively in a dc publication that following his extended battle with Perpetua that BMWLs power was restored to full strength by aligning the planets?😕
Many thanks 👆
Originally posted by TheHulkster
"When I hit" not "because I hit". He surmises from that that killing Bats will undo what Bats has done. Why not surmise that from just hitting him?Also, does Bats Who Laughs get his power from an alternate reality Manhattan? I saw that mentioned in the thread.
What happens here?
DK is still alive, reality crashed. Also DK isn’t a Superman archtype but hitting him impacted reality.
Sbp was ready to kill DK and destroy everything before Krypto stopped him. Then he punches DK and changes his reality and he’s back in the prime universe. That shows a level of control.
Everything SBP did was unique to him. He defeated the guy that defeated and imprisoned perpetua.
That’s way above anyone in marvel right now.
Originally posted by Diesldude
What happens here?DK is still alive, reality crashed. Also DK isn’t a Superman archtype but hitting him impacted reality.
Sbp was ready to kill DK and destroy everything before Krypto stopped him. Then he punches DK and changes his reality and he’s back in the prime universe. That shows a level of control.
Everything SBP did was unique to him. He defeated the guy that defeated and imprisoned perpetua.
That’s way above anyone in marvel right now.
Bro youve got to learn to differentiate between your interpretation of a scene and whats explicitly stated in a scene.
Unless the point youre making is depicted conclusively visually and through narration then its just your interpretation. We're all welcome to them but you cant present an inconclusive interpretation as fact. Share it and say you think this is what happened and why you think it means SBP would win.
DK is the power behind the changing reality so it makes sense that attacking him would disrupt the reality alteration that hes actively trying to make permanent.
This previous post of mine addresses why this comic book scene is inconclusive:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Furthermore didnt DK just inhabit the body of an alternate reality Dr Manhattan? So who is to say that said version had the exact same capabilities as the one we're familiar with?And even if it was the exact same Dr Manhattan, merely possessing his body and powers doesn't make Dr Manhattans feats and showings attributable to DK.
We also cant say DK beat Perpetua, therefore SBP can beat Perpetua and anyone below Perpetua.
That's the most basic ABC logic.
Context has to be considered and taken into account. DK was battle weary, he even mentioned a reluctance to divert energy he had dedicated towards his plans to fighting SBP. How do we know if he did?
We could have had battle weary DK, with an unspecified amount of power diverted elsewhere fighting SBP.
On top of that look how DK was fighting SBP. Simple fisticuffs. What high level cosmic does that? It could be a sign of how battle weary he was.
The battle remains a good showing for SBP. But not enough for people to start elevating to ridiculous levels in the cosmic hierarchy.
The main takeaways are:
There's zero evidence of a "retcon punch"
Nothing to show his powerset is anything more than the standard kryptonian one just supercharged
DKs power status at the time is undetermined
Eternity would not fight SBP as incompetently as DK did. It would be through high level energy, time or reality manipulation.
Eternity is overkill for SBP.
Take it down some notches in the hierarchy and then it makes a worthwhile discussion point
Originally posted by Diesldude
^^ I’ll respond in more detail tomorrow.
No problem bro. When i 1st started debating on here years back i used to do the same thing. I was so convinced that how i viewed what was going on in a comic book scene was what was definitely going on, but then it had to get broken down to me as well. Writer narration via captions or on panel verification from a reputable source in a comic book scene are ways we can say that what's going on in an ambiguous scene is whats officially going on in terms of the company line.
Thats why even i said my interpretation of that scene isnt fact and suggested a wait and see approach. The info just isnt there yet.
But lets see what you have to say tomorrow anyway 👆
Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm calling his/her/it post being idiotic. Not the poster.
Cool.
How about showing the forum why? 😖hifty:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Can you show the forum where it states explicitly and conclusively in a dc publication that following his extended battle with Perpetua that BMWLs power was restored to full strength by aligning the planets?😕Many thanks 👆
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Cool.How about showing the forum why? 😖hifty:
Made it bigger for ya:
https://i.imgur.com/He3SJXe.jpg
Please do highlight the part Abhi? 😕
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Made it bigger for ya:https://i.imgur.com/He3SJXe.jpg
Please do highlight the part Abhi? 😕
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I think the key point of Galans post that seems to be getting missed is that its not as if SBP has some retcon punch ability, its that the circumstances were conducive to his punches being able to affect the changes. It wasnt a retcon ability of his, it was either the location he was in or the being he was hitting.For example in the Infinite Crisis example, SBP was in a location that was a focal point/keystone to DC multidimensional structure, so his powerful (but standard) hits to this structure affected reality. So it was a result of location, not an innate ability SBP has been shown to have.
In the example of SBP fighting the Darkest Knight, the DKs power was actively maintaining changes to reality, so fighting DK disrupted his ability inadvertently. Theres no conclusive evidence be it visually or through written statement or caption that supports the notion of a "retcon punch". So without such evidence its not an ability that can be bandied around and referred to here as an established and officially confirmed part of SBP's powerset at this point.
So lets wait and see what the rest of the event has in store.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Except when earth-2 Superman( Kal-L) punching, even breaking the crystal walls that SBP punched. But still didn't have same effect like SBP did.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Infinite-Crisis-2005/Issue-1?id=39427#26
And Alexander even stated SBP as his architect of reality, Not Kal-L
So your argument is moot since Alexander never hopes Kal-L do the same thing that SBP did.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Infinite-Crisis-Secret-Files-2006/Full?id=107443#35
Also even lets assume that the fight between SBP and Darkest knight was some illusion that created by DN. Before fighting DN, SBP still managed to change a history of corrupted Superman by punching him.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Dark-Nights-Death-Metal-The-Secret-Origin/Full?id=179488#17
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Qwerty please and i mean PLEASE work on the english language FFS, I never know wtf you be talking about most of the times, and his current punch didn't do that It destroyed The 52 worlds. The worlds reverted BACK to its original state that changed due to the loss of connection a hold BWL had on the corrupted world hence the dark multiverse. Prime SEVERED that connection
This is a real reality punch and no one would claim Creel under this circumstance as being able to stomp Eternity.
