Also its very difficult to know who genuinely cant work or cant find a job, or who genuinely need help to feed their kids, and differentiate them from those who are just freeloading off the system.
So we can talk about not supporting freeloaders all we want, but its an almost impossible group to specifically target.
Originally posted by Darth Thor👆 I agree 100%
Also its very difficult to know who genuinely cant work or cant find a job, or who genuinely need help to feed their kids, and differentiate them from those who are just freeloading off the system.So we can talk about not supporting freeloaders all we want, but its an almost impossible group to specifically target.
Originally posted by Darth ThorWell, we aren't trying to target them. Instead, we are talking about them if we were to know exactly who do not contribute to society due to pure laziness.
Also its very difficult to know who genuinely cant work or cant find a job, or who genuinely need help to feed their kids, and differentiate them from those who are just freeloading off the system.So we can talk about not supporting freeloaders all we want, but its an almost impossible group to specifically target.
Obviously, the cases you just described exist and likely are greater than the population of just lazy freeloaders, but we aren't talking about them at all. 😬
Originally posted by victreebelvictr
Well, we aren't trying to target them. Instead, we are talking about them if we were to know exactly who do not contribute to society due to pure laziness.Obviously, the cases you just described exist and likely are greater than the population of just lazy freeloaders, but we aren't talking about them at all. 😬
Its relevant to point out though. Because the thread title is that they dont deserve our help, implying we shouldnt be aiding them, but as I said thats probably not logistically possible without effecting other groups who need the help.
Originally posted by Darth ThorIt is not relevant to the title because it has nothing to do with the title.
Its relevant to point out though. Because the thread title is that they dont deserve our help, implying we shouldnt be aiding them, but as I said thats probably not logistically possible without effecting other groups who need the help.
It says "Those who choose not to contribute to society do not deserve our help." Therefore, it is specifically identifying those who do not contribute rather than those who are simply in a difficult spot financially.
It likely isn't very easy or possible to differentiate the two groups in order to reward each righteously, but it would be justice to if we could (which I believe is the point of this thread).
Originally posted by victreebelvictr
It is not relevant to the title because it has nothing to do with the title.It says "Those who choose not to contribute to society do not deserve our help." Therefore, it is specifically identifying those who do not contribute rather than those who are simply in a difficult spot financially.
It likely isn't very easy or possible to differentiate the two groups in order to reward each righteously, but it would be justice to if we could (which I believe is the point of this thread).
The OP literally stares the government should not be helping them. So pointing out the fact that it is logistically almost impossible for them to do that without effecting others is definitely worth pointing out.
Originally posted by Darth ThorI see your point.
The OP literally stares the government should not be helping them. So pointing out the fact that it is logistically almost impossible for them to do that without effecting others is definitely worth pointing out.
Do you believe benefits should be given to the freeloaders if it is possible to identify the two groups from each other?
That is the foremost question asked in this thread.
Originally posted by victreebelvictr
I see your point.Do you believe benefits should be given to the freeloaders if it is possible to identify the two groups from each other?
That is the foremost question asked in this thread.
A very minimalist amount. We shouldnt have people living in cardboard boxes IMO. Even homeless shelters.
Because Once you are there its very difficult to work your way up id imagine.
Originally posted by Darth ThorThat is true. I personally have a buddy named Chris who was stuck on the street for over 20 years easily.
A very minimalist amount. We shouldnt have people living in cardboard boxes IMO. Even homeless shelters.Because Once you are there its very difficult to work your way up id imagine.
Though it was only difficult for him to get back on track due to his addiction to drugs, and actually had an easy time qualifying for another job.
He qualified due to his desire to work hard and earn profit.
Don't you think those that choose to live on the sidewalk should reap what they sow?
It isn't impossible to get back up, and it is likely their fault if they get in that situation in the first place.
Originally posted by victreebelvictr
That is true. I personally have a buddy named Chris who was stuck on the street for over 20 years easily.Though it was only difficult for him to get back on track due to his addiction to drugs, and actually had an easy time qualifying for another job.
He qualified due to his desire to work hard and earn profit.
Don't you think those that choose to live on the sidewalk should reap what they sow?
It isn't impossible to get back up, and it is likely their fault if they get in that situation in the first place.
I think its hard to get a job without a permanent address.
Plus Most these guys wont be the exceptional type.
I think having less than everyone else is a punishment. I think where freeloaders are just as well off as working people, then thats an issue. But thats where a higher living wage comes in.
Re: Re: Those who choose not to contribute to society do not deserve our help.
Originally posted by truejedi
Poor people choose to be poor and should stop or starve. Got it.Luckily, I also pay taxes, and I, and a lot of people like me disagree with you. Happy my taxes go to take care of the poor. Way better use of money than spending it on weapons. Change my mind.
Without weapons we wouldn't be able to defend ourselves from those who do have weapons. And no, we will never be able to get rid of ALL weapons or have total world peace, at least not until Jesus Christ (the real One, not the imposter antichrist) returns. Without weapons we wouldn't have any protection against a tyrranical government and our others rights would be rendered moot.
I'm all for helping people out financially who need it and are disabled in some way. Freeloaders though who have absolutely no reasonable excuse not to get a job hurt our economy/country.
It's much better to teach someone how to fish rather than give them a constant supply of free fish. Change my mind if you can (which you can't, I can assure you), socialist.
Re: Re: Re: Those who choose not to contribute to society do not deserve our help.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnaebut if u teach them to fish u will no longer have control over how many fish they take. Plus If they rely on u to give them fish everyday u can monitor and control the supply of fish and rule the harbor. 🙂
It's much better to teach someone how to fish rather than give them a constant supply of free fish. Change my mind if you can (which you can't, I can assure you).
Oh, and lol @ the retarded argument of raising minimum wage as if that is actually going to help anything. If it is raised then the prices of everything will just keep going up everytime you raised it and you've solved nothing.
Not to mention that employers will just start laying people off if the minimum wage keeps being raised.
Oh socialists... smh. ❌
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
Oh, and lol @ the retarded argument of raising minimum wage as if that is actually going to help anything. If it is raised then the prices of everything will just keep going up everytime you raised it and you've solved nothing.Not to mention that employers will just start laying people off if the minimum wage keeps being raised.
Oh socialists... smh.
I worked at a restaurant here, and when the minimum wage went up to $14 an hour (up from $11.60), the owner raised all the prices.