The reach of the Heart of the Universe is limited to the universe. And while he probably could overpower Dr. Manhattan and the Darkest Knight they could just leave, or not decide to enter his universe.
But the battle between the Beyonder and Molecule Man caused more collateral damage than any of Dr. Manhattan's or the Darkest Knight's fights. So he'd destroy both of them.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
collateral damage isnt a good way to gauge a fight.
Perpetua was weakened by having planets shoved in her face.
Unless you want to hand-wave this to be some abstract visual metaphor for what actually happened then there's no excuse.
The Celestials' attempt to overthrow Thanos with the Infinity Gems was on a grander scale, and he thwarted that with a wave of his hand instead of picking up his own planets.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
but if we go the scaling route then;
darkest knight>perpetua>doc manhattan>mxy>infinite multiverse.
It says a lot about argument when it relies on a twenty year-old title published outside of continuity, that not only hasn't been referenced but is also incoherent with the current story-line.
For ****'s sake Perpetua had to coordinate a campaign just to destroy single universes.
It contradicts your interpretation of her being able to destroy the multiverse at the snap of a finger.
Originally posted by Astnerbecause sometimes energy attacks are more powerful then the collateral damage they cause.
How else would you gauge a fight if not by damage caused, and by the ease by which it's caused?
the scene where owen hits beyonder with a blast that could have destroyed billions of dimensions, but didnt even damage his apartment room is a pretty common example.
Originally posted by Astnerwheres it say she was weakened by that?
Perpetua was weakened by having planets shoved in her face.Unless you want to hand-wave this to be some abstract visual metaphor for what actually happened then there's no excuse.
Originally posted by Astnerokay?
The Celestials' attempt to overthrow Thanos with the Infinity Gems was on a grander scale, and he thwarted that with a wave of his hand instead of picking up his own planets.
Originally posted by Astnerall of mxys feats are canon to him as a character. and i dont see why the age of the book matters? does he need to destroy a multiverse every week for the feat to be valid?
It says a lot about argument when it relies on a twenty year-old title published outside of continuity, that not only hasn't been referenced but is also incoherent with the current story-line.
Originally posted by Astnerwasn't perpetua still weakened there or was she at full power? cant remember.
For ****'s sake Perpetua had to coordinate a campaign just to destroy single universes.It contradicts your interpretation of her being able to destroy the multiverse at the snap of a finger.
astner already lost the debate here and hes at it again
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=671369&pagenumber=9
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
because sometimes energy attacks are more powerful then the collateral damage they cause.the scene where owen hits beyonder with a blast that could have destroyed billions of dimensions, but didnt even damage his apartment room is a pretty common example.
wheres it say she was weakened by that?
okay?
all of mxys feats are canon to him as a character. and i dont see why the age of the book matters? does he need to destroy a multiverse every week for the feat to be valid?
wasn't perpetua still weakened there or was she at full power? cant remember.
perpetua was def weakened there
Astner likes to talk about collateral damage
molecule man and beyonder fight didnt even destroy the apartment living room, I guess Beyonder is living room level
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
because sometimes energy attacks are more powerful then the collateral damage they cause.the scene where owen hits beyonder with a blast that could have destroyed billions of dimensions, but didnt even damage his apartment room is a pretty common example.
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
wheres it say she was weakened by that?
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
all of mxys feats are canon to him as a character. and i dont see why the age of the book matters? does he need to destroy a multiverse every week for the feat to be valid?
Originally posted by DeadpoolXXX
wasn't perpetua still weakened there or was she at full power? cant remember.
Originally posted by MrMind
astner already lost the debate here and hes at it againhttp://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=671369&pagenumber=9
Originally posted by MrMind
you literally didn't counter a single point i made except nitpicking one sentence or two out of whole paragraphs and scans to argue, pick and choose where you wanna debate
There's a reason why you retreated from the thread, and why you seethed so bad that you had to return over a month later to get the last word in, twice.
People don't like to agree with me, but look at the thread.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Latest Metaverse issue seems to agree with Astner.Infinite Multiverse, then it was collapsed into a single reality (COIE) then the various crises (ZH etc) failed to recreate it.
Originally posted by MrMind
every single arguments you made in that thread, proved to be a lieit was super pathetic and disingenuous
