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Originally posted by MrMind
especially since on panel scans proven
1. dc has infinite universes/multiverses,
These are two different arguments. The DC Multiverse had a finite number of universes, 52 to be exact—most of which have been destroyed by now.
Then you supposedly have infinite multiverses outside of the Source Wall, we don't know if this is literal infinity or hyperbole for "a lot." In fact the latter is supported by the claim that only a few trillion multiverses have come to an end. If it was truly infinite you'd expect an infinite multiverses to have come to an end, since any quantifiable probability rate would yield that.
But it's made clear that they're Non-DC stories, this was implied by the Empty Hand and more recently the Chronicler, who had seen nothing like the DC Multiverse.
Originally posted by MrMind
2. dc has infinite dimensions
Why do you continue to repeat this point when I already debunked it? They were not talking about spatio-temporal dimensions they were talking about universes.
When it comes to the actual spatio-temporal dimensions and their extensions (imagination and unimagination) the 6th is the highest.
Originally posted by MrMind
3. dc is composite canon
Yes, that's the point of Hypertime, to tie all the Crises together. But that doesn't mean that current incarnation of Superman is the same as the Golden Age version of Superman. The only Superman who actually survived a Crisis was Superboy Prime.
Originally posted by MrMind
beyonder's energy became the big bang at beyond realm in the end of secret wars 2, and made ONE universe. that's pathetic compare to the super celestials who made infinite multiverses in the sixth dimensionbeyond realm view the marvel universe as a droplet of water into the ocean
in dc, third dimensional multiverse exist as bubbles in new genesis
DC Comics doesn't have any Celestials. You had the Titans that resided in five-dimensional space, and then you had the Monitor, the Anti-Monitor, and the World Forger in six-dimensional space, the latter of which was responsible for the creation of the 4-dimensional DC Multiverse.
This may seem impressive and all but the Beyonder came from a realm that had infinite dimensions, which makes it far more complex in terms of degrees of freedom than anything established in DC comics be it universe or multiverse.
Pre-retcon Beyonder is in concept very similar to the Overvoid. They're both the incarnation of the totality outside the multiverse, and they were both intrigued by the Multiverse. The difference is that the Overvoid has its degrees of freedom limited to six dimensions.
Originally posted by MrMind
Nil, view the dc multiverse as germ world, the monitors live in a archetypal worldThe Dark Multiverse is a vast, subconscious realm that the main dc multiverse floats on, there are as many dark universes as there are bad thoughts throughout creations
tell me, what evidence is there to prove marvel is even remotely close to dc as far as size is concerned. beyonder is a small god in a small world, beyond realm by all means would be tiny comparing to dc's higher realms
You're not grasping the scale here. It doesn't matter how many rooms a mansion has, it's always going to be smaller than the planet it's placed on.
Originally posted by MrMind
after secret wars 2015, marvel multiverse is not infinite, it's couple thousands, tens of thousands at most
What does this even have to do with the thread? Both Pre-retcon Beyonder and Thanos with the Heart of the Universe took place prior to Secret Wars.
Unlike you I'm not defending Marvel because I'm a fanboy, I'm defending it because it's the correct answer based on what we see in the comics.
