Superboy Prime vs Celestials

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

You are really missing the point, lmao.

Am I missing the point though?

You asked someone, if the Celestials in "King in Black" are dead. You were told 'yes', which is a misinformation. One of the arguments was that the Celestials head was hollowed out. And then you went with the "yes", which would have left you misinformed.
I just tried to clarify everything, by stating that the three Celestials in "King in Black" were not dead. And that one of them is dead now, because it got killed by the Sentry.

And on the topic of hollowed out head. Celestial heads are always hollowed out:
https://i.imgur.com/vh7JvJl.jpg

That's one of the Celestials Knull killed. Their bodies are... weird hollow suits of armor, which contain cosmic energies (as seen, when Thor entered the head of a Celestial):
https://i.imgur.com/0IVkvio.jpg

And I say weird suits or armor, because parts of the armor do seem to contain Celestial organs, which they do seem to need to live:
https://i.imgur.com/fBV0Kb2.jpg

My perception of the entire topic is that we had three Celestials corrupted by Knulls symbiotes. They were still alive and kicking, but they were under Knulls influence. Sentry then killed one of those Celestials, by flying through its cosmic brain. And just like I've written it in another thread... Stuff goes on behind the scenes, when such characters fight. I don't know if Hulk can kill a Celestial by managing to jump through its head. That would be purely physical. Or if you do need to have some sort of impact on reality, which allows characters like Sentry and Knull to impose their will on Celestials and kill them.

And all of that leads us back to the topic: Can Superboy-Prime kill ONE Celestials. The entire race would be laughable, because there are Celestials, which would snap him (and Sentry) out of existence. But even the weakest Celestials are well above Skyfathers. And Superboy-Prime would absolutely need an inherent ability to impose his will on reality more than Celestials can.

For the longest time I've argued that Sentry isn't a +Skyfather level being. I always had him at the top of the Trans tier level, even above Thanos. But nowdays... God damn, the golden boy is making me second guess myself.

Sorry for the essay. I can imagine you don't like them.

Originally posted by Adam Grimes

You are really missing the point, lmao.

Well, that's what symbiotes usually do to their hosts.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Am I missing the point though?

You asked someone, if the Celestials in "King in Black" are dead. You were told 'yes', which is a misinformation. One of the arguments was that the Celestials head was hollowed out. And then you went with the "yes", which would have left you misinformed.
I just tried to clarify everything, by stating that the three Celestials in "King in Black" were not dead. And that one of them is dead now, because it got killed by the Sentry.

And on the topic of hollowed out head. Celestial heads are always hollowed out:
https://i.imgur.com/vh7JvJl.jpg

That's one of the Celestials Knull killed. Their bodies are... weird hollow suits of armor, which contain cosmic energies (as seen, when Thor entered the head of a Celestial):
https://i.imgur.com/0IVkvio.jpg

And I say weird suits or armor, because parts of the armor do seem to contain Celestial organs, which they do seem to need to live:
https://i.imgur.com/fBV0Kb2.jpg

My perception of the entire topic is that we had three Celestials corrupted by Knulls symbiotes. They were still alive and kicking, but they were under Knulls influence. Sentry then killed one of those Celestials, by flying through its cosmic brain. And just like I've written it in another thread... Stuff goes on behind the scenes, when such characters fight. I don't know if Hulk can kill a Celestial by managing to jump through its head. That would be purely physical. Or if you do need to have some sort of impact on reality, which allows characters like Sentry and Knull to impose their will on Celestials and kill them.

And all of that leads us back to the topic: Can Superboy-Prime kill ONE Celestials. The entire race would be laughable, because there are Celestials, which would snap him (and Sentry) out of existence. But even the weakest Celestials are well above Skyfathers. And Superboy-Prime would absolutely need an inherent ability to impose his will on reality more than Celestials can.

For the longest time I've argued that Sentry isn't a +Skyfather level being. I always had him at the top of the Trans tier level, even above Thanos. But nowdays... God damn, the golden boy is making me second guess myself.

Sorry for the essay. I can imagine you don't like them.

Well, that's what symbiotes usually do to their hosts.

I completely understand.

But Hulkster really likes to flipflop. And I am poking fun at his mistakes - again, if we imagine abhi (as an example completely off the top of my head) making these mistakes and misinforming, imagine how YOU would love to point it out, no?

So I am doing the same. The essay wasn't needed, because I was merely poking gentle fun (which this site is meant to be, fun) at Hulkster.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You are really missing the point, lmao.

THAT is why I said it was dead. Because a mere page later:

Same guy says the Celestials were alive for Sentry to kill.

Don't jump into things without getting the context.

LOL! It's easy to see why no one got your context being that such context is not there. I never said the Celestial is alive. I asked whether the board is willing to give Sentry such a feat under that premise. You know that you are the king of fabricating what people say.

Ah so the Celestial is already dead.

Enzeru, looks like the misinformation is still occuring.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Am I missing the point though?

You asked someone, if the Celestials in "King in Black" are dead. You were told 'yes', which is a misinformation. One of the arguments was that the Celestials head was hollowed out. And then you went with the "yes", which would have left you misinformed.
I just tried to clarify everything, by stating that the three Celestials in "King in Black" were not dead. And that one of them is dead now, because it got killed by the Sentry.

And on the topic of hollowed out head. Celestial heads are always hollowed out:
https://i.imgur.com/vh7JvJl.jpg

That's one of the Celestials Knull killed. Their bodies are... weird hollow suits of armor, which contain cosmic energies (as seen, when Thor entered the head of a Celestial):
https://i.imgur.com/0IVkvio.jpg

And I say weird suits or armor, because parts of the armor do seem to contain Celestial organs, which they do seem to need to live:
https://i.imgur.com/fBV0Kb2.jpg

My perception of the entire topic is that we had three Celestials corrupted by Knulls symbiotes. They were still alive and kicking, but they were under Knulls influence. Sentry then killed one of those Celestials, by flying through its cosmic brain. And just like I've written it in another thread... Stuff goes on behind the scenes, when such characters fight. I don't know if Hulk can kill a Celestial by managing to jump through its head. That would be purely physical. Or if you do need to have some sort of impact on reality, which allows characters like Sentry and Knull to impose their will on Celestials and kill them.

And all of that leads us back to the topic: Can Superboy-Prime kill ONE Celestials. The entire race would be laughable, because there are Celestials, which would snap him (and Sentry) out of existence. But even the weakest Celestials are well above Skyfathers. And Superboy-Prime would absolutely need an inherent ability to impose his will on reality more than Celestials can.

For the longest time I've argued that Sentry isn't a +Skyfather level being. I always had him at the top of the Trans tier level, even above Thanos. But nowdays... God damn, the golden boy is making me second guess myself.

Sorry for the essay. I can imagine you don't like them.

Well, that's what symbiotes usually do to their hosts.

Darksaint has poor understanding of what posts are saying and often sees context where context doesn't exist. He tends to project his tendency to flip flop onto other people. He had expressed no opinion on whether the Celestial is dead or alive until the idea of giving Sentry such a feat was posited.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Darksaint has poor understanding of what posts are saying and often sees context where context doesn't exist. He tends to project his tendency to flip flop onto other people. He had expressed no opinion on whether the Celestial is dead or alive until the idea of giving Sentry such a feat was posited.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
The Celestial is already dead. You can't kill something that is already dead. Plus, all Sentry does is fly through the back of it to get to Knull who is inside. There is no other effect on it.

And isn't it against the rules to judge a controlled character?

BMWL is weak because SBP kills him with a punch.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Knull has killed Celestials in the past. The three he came to Earth with were alive and controlled by him. So Sentry did kill a living Celestial.

I'm more curious what's the case: The Celestial not being at the peak of its power due to Knulls control, or the Celestial being even more powerful due to the enhancement of the Symbiotes. Or do these two things cancel each other out? No clue. I'd argue that Symbiote hosts get stronger, but those hosts are usually not cosmic entities on the level of Celestials. Symbiotes are maybe too simple-minded to utilize the power of a Celestial fully. Or does that happen automatically and the Celestials at that point and evil and enhanced?
So many questions, so little answers.

See how two people said different things

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No
It sounds like you’re trying to pretend as if DS is trying to lie, when instead, he asked you a simple question because people claimed 2 different things
Sentry killed a living Celestial and that the celestial is dead

What question are you talking about? Please quote.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah, Magnon, the Celestial is already dead.

Originally posted by Magnon
Ah yes, that's right. Dead Celestials aren't that impressive. IIRC, Magneto was able to manipulate one as well.

So why did he call me by your handle? What point was he trying to make?

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Darksaint has poor understanding of what posts are saying and often sees context where context doesn't exist. He tends to project his tendency to flip flop onto other people. He had expressed no opinion on whether the Celestial is dead or alive until the idea of giving Sentry such a feat was posited.

I expressed an opinion on whether the Celestial was dead/alive?

Because YOU told me it was dead when Sentry flew through him.

Then a page later, asked if we give Sentry a Celestial killing feat.

Surely it cannot be an opinion when the main source that had replied to ME (i.e. you) explicitly said twice that the Celestial was already dead.

So why ask?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I expressed an opinion on whether the Celestial was dead/alive?

Because YOU told me it was dead when Sentry flew through him.

Then a page later, asked if we give Sentry a Celestial killing feat.

Surely it cannot be an opinion when the main source that had replied to ME (i.e. you) explicitly said twice that the Celestial was already dead.

So why ask?

It's called playing devil's advocate. It's what you attempt to do so often when you spend two months pleading for someone to answer one of your questions. You attempt to turn someone's views against them.

Enzeru is cool with giving Sentry the feat, but the DC fans who would seek to lowball the Celestials are not that willing.

Enzeru gives a lot of evidence though and his point on how symbiotes power up their hosts is interesting. I'll take a closer look.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Darksaint has poor understanding of what posts are saying and often sees context where context doesn't exist. He tends to project his tendency to flip flop onto other people. He had expressed no opinion on whether the Celestial is dead or alive until the idea of giving Sentry such a feat was posited.

This is sooooooooo true. This is the main reason I blocked him. This style of debate is borderline childish and ridiculous.

😂 this post always makes me laugh. It should be the last post in every thread that the mods close.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Darksaint has poor understanding of what posts are saying and often sees context where context doesn't exist. He tends to project his tendency to flip flop onto other people. He had expressed no opinion on whether the Celestial is dead or alive until the idea of giving Sentry such a feat was posited.

One thing at a time' first can you show us where DS Flip Flops? Did you just say this because he showed everyone where you flip flop and since you couldn't come up with a better response you just copied his and flung it back at him.

Imo they werent dead when Knull had them knullified. Doesnt really matter if they were alive or dead. I believe Cates was simply portraying them as high level cosmics under his thrall. Their power is still there. It lets Cates have a muscle flex moment for Knull. The message was heard.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Imo they werent dead when Knull had them knullified. Doesnt really matter if they were alive or dead. I believe Cates was simply portraying them as high level cosmics under his thrall. Their power is still there. It lets Cates have a muscle flex moment for Knull. The message was heard.

👆 they're powerful no matter what,imo.

Originally posted by Diesldude
One thing at a time' first can you show us where DS Flip Flops? Did you just say this because he showed everyone where you flip flop and since you couldn't come up with a better response you just copied his and flung it back at him.

First things first. Can you show where he showed everyone where I flip flop?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
👆 they're powerful no matter what,imo.