Originally posted by Adam GrimesThe problem I have with the Celestials these days is they like Galactus have consistently been depowered. Do I think Sentry could beat a Celestial, it certainly isn't out of the question. He, probably more than any other character except Superman or Goku, is the quintessential plot device. He simply has been written to do whatever a plot needs more often than most.
Ok, but how powerful do you think they are/were?
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Ok, but how powerful do you think they are/were?
If I may, there are two conflicting aspects to this. One is the accepted notion here that controlled beings are less formidable than normal, and the established point that symbiotes enhance their hosts. So It's possible that the two aspects cancel each other out
Originally posted by TheHulksterI think it depends who controls them, when Aquaman controls a fish it becomes super fish, I suspect a symbiote controlled character is generally the same. The problem is the celestials when written well are magnitudes of power levels about symbiotes.
If I may, there are two conflicting aspects to this. One is the accepted notion here that controlled beings are less formidable than normal, and the established point that symbiotes enhance their hosts. So It's possible that the two aspects cancel each other.
Originally posted by carver9I asked for an answer.
Why did Knull bring them to the Battlefield.
Originally posted by TheHulksterYeah, but there are two problems with this notion.
If I may, there are two conflicting aspects to this. One is the accepted notion here that controlled beings are less formidable than normal, and the established point that symbiotes enhance their hosts. So It's possible that the two aspects cancel each other out
1. We don't really know the power of the subjects in question.
2. The amp symbiotes produce should be roughly equal to the fall off produced by this circumstances, which is unverifiable at the moment.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!Well, in my opinion beating a proper Celestial(with actual showings to scale off of) so casually would be quite a step up from what Sentry has done so far, even in his most crazy days. I'm naturally hesitant to give this to him fully.
The problem I have with the Celestials these days is they like Galactus have consistently been depowered. Do I think Sentry could beat a Celestial, it certainly isn't out of the question. He, probably more than any other character except Superman or Goku, is the quintessential plot device. He simply has been written to do whatever a plot needs more often than most.
Originally posted by Adam GrimesEven more than beating Molecule Man or coming back from being killed and erased from the timeline? Those are insane feats. Almost Superboy Prime level!
Well, in my opinion beating a proper Celestial(with actual showings to scale off of) so casually would be quite a step up from what Sentry has done so far, even in his most crazy days. I'm naturally hesitant to give this to him fully.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!Well, that's a weird showing. MM was mentally unstable and that apparently affected his performance but yeah, he was still a reality warper at the end of the day. Sentry has never used Matter Manipulation again though, so I consider that showing a big outlier.
Even more than beating Molecule Man or coming back from being killed and erased from the timeline? Those are insane feats. Almost Superboy Prime level!
Originally posted by Adam GrimesWhat about when Morgana Le Fay erased him from the timeline and he just reappeared?
Well, that's a weird showing. MM was mentally unstable and that apparently affected his performance but yeah, he was still a reality warper at the end of the day. Sentry has never used Matter Manipulation again though, so I consider that showing a big outlier.
Originally posted by Adam GrimesYes, they were both Bendis. But, that doesn't alter the fact they happened or at times he has smashed every herald from Thor and Beta Ray Bill to Terrax as if they are simply nothing. I mean his heat vision incinerated Nova Prime with a many angled one inside him and those guys are Lovecraftian Gods.
That was in the same arc under the same writer iirc.
Originally posted by h1a8Yeah because that never happens with the likes of Superman or Flash, basically every character to a certain degree.
I guess Marvel didn't like where Bendis was taking Sentry. So they probably had later writers write him back down to Trans level. Sentry is one of the most inconsistent characters of all time. Even iron man once busted his nose.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!Even in Scourge the Void couldn't ko or decidedly put down Bill. Or break Susan's planetary shield, even with the aid of the whole Cancerverse.
Yes, they were both Bendis. But, that doesn't alter the fact they happened or at times he has smashed every herald from Thor and Beta Ray Bill to Terrax as if they are simply nothing. I mean his heat vision incinerated Nova Prime with a many angled one inside him and those guys are Lovecraftian Gods.
Originally posted by Adam GrimesGoing to disagree, Susan says she can't keep the sentry out long and bill knows he can't beat him because basically bill is getting pummelled so he gives up stormbreaker to knock him through the rift.
Even in Scourge the Void couldn't ko or decidedly put down Bill. Or break Susan's planetary shield, even with the aid of the whole Cancerverse.
Originally posted by Adam Grimes
Well, that's a weird showing. MM was mentally unstable and that apparently affected his performance but yeah, he was still a reality warper at the end of the day. Sentry has never used Matter Manipulation again though, so I consider that showing a big outlier.
He flat out reality warps an entire town in Black Panther and the Agents of Wakanda a little over a year ago.