Better feat

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
One)But humans can hold cars in their hand? Singular, so in one hand? Ok 😂

Two) mass of a star with no size attached to it. You are just ASSUMING comic stars = RL stars.

Three) an unmentioned size of star. Xorn lifts his head which has a star in it, easily - Xorn neck muscles are apparently stronger than Hulk's entire body, right?

Batman swings his arms around with dozens of red suns attached to them. Superman takes punches from these same gauntlets. So....

for the weight of the car, until you get an exact value, we either go with the average or minimum value (pre and post toy confirmation).

1. Because Proxima stated it was forged from a sun, and Corvus states that it's the weight of a star. Stars have a wide spectrum from the Sun at 1M to Red Giants and Neutron Stars. Thus everyone considers the weight of the sun as the weight of the star mentioned.
2 for your car, there is a spectrum of cars that when generally considered, mean the drivable mind.

3. Finally, yes there is a degree of realism in comics and we can state that the star Hulk lifted IS 1 stellar mass as its clearly mentioned. Because if realism is avoided, then feats become useless as they cant be quantified and measured.
Also you mentioned Holding a car. You could just be lifting and holding the car from its size. That's JUST to explain how that works (not that humans have super strength generally).
So linguistics and statements show that the Hulk did lift a stellar mass, while the Last Sun only has a hydrogen helium core with no evidence to show its heavy or as dense as an actual star.

You haven't said anything relevant yet.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
for the weight of the car, until you get an exact value, we either go with the average or minimum value (pre and post toy confirmation).

1. Because Proxima stated it was forged from a sun, and Corvus states that it's the weight of a star. Stars have a wide spectrum from the Sun at 1M to Red Giants and Neutron Stars. Thus everyone considers the weight of the sun as the weight of the star mentioned.
2 for your car, there is a spectrum of cars that when generally considered, mean the drivable mind.

3. Finally, yes there is a degree of realism in comics and we can state that the star Hulk lifted IS 1 stellar mass as its clearly mentioned. Because if realism is avoided, then feats become useless as they cant be quantified and measured.
Also you mentioned Holding a car. You could just be lifting and holding the car from its size. That's JUST to explain how that works (not that humans have super strength generally).
So linguistics and statements show that the Hulk did lift a stellar mass, while the Last Sun only has a hydrogen helium core with no evidence to show its heavy or as dense as an actual star.

You haven't said anything relevant yet.

That's key - the underlined part, which is what I have been saying.

Without me giving any further information, it is unquantifiable. Could be a toy car (which exists in RL). Could be a perfectly formed drivable car (but model sized).

And so it is with the comics. No size was given. Hulk lifted a type of star, but that doesn't give you the mass.

Anything else is you injecting assumptions.

And you are only doing it for one side.

If your argument is local DS then you understand how the infinite expanding universe makes it locally possible for the star on Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's key - the underlined part, which is what I have been saying.

Without me giving any further information, it is unquantifiable. Could be a toy car (which exists in RL). Could be a perfectly formed drivable car (but model sized).

And so it is with the comics. No size was given. Hulk lifted a type of star, but that doesn't give you the mass.

Anything else is you injecting assumptions.

And you are only doing it for one side.

So what I'm saying is: you don't want to debate the intricacies of model cars with this guy. He knows what he's talking about here. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's key - the underlined part, which is what I have been saying.

Without me giving any further information, it is unquantifiable. Could be a toy car (which exists in RL). Could be a perfectly formed drivable car (but model sized).

And so it is with the comics. No size was given. Hulk lifted a type of star, but that doesn't give you the mass.

Anything else is you injecting assumptions.

And you are only doing it for one side.

And Like I mentioned earlier; The proof is IN the actual feat. The writer literally stated the star that hulk held was a life bringing and destructive supernova before it was taken and given to PM as a spear. That is FACT. The only stars that undergo supernova are Red Giants or Super Red Giants. FACT! That same proceeding star the hulk was holding was said to be the weight of a star. We know it was a red giant before because of what was said. So it would at LEAST weight that much. FACT!

It's not up for dispute, period.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol don't bother, he'll just post loads of text in upper and lower case, throw some smilies in, use the words 'period', 'not up for debate', FACT',
and 'debunked'' a lot, and maybe some insults about Superman.

If we're lucky, he might even boast about his lack of bias and IQ.

Oof. I nearly got full house.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
And Like I mentioned earlier; The proof is IN the actual feat. The writer literally stated the star that hulk held was a life bringing and destructive supernova before it was taken and given to PM as a spear. That is FACT. The only stars that undergo supernova are Red Giants or Super Red Giants. FACT! That same proceeding star the hulk was holding was said to be the weight of a star. We know it was a red giant before because of what was said. So it would at LEAST weight that much. FACT!

It's not up for dispute, period.

That's RL science, bucko.

In RL, Marvel Earth would be destroyed with a supernova.

Fact.

That’s the same as saying if the earth has Volcanoes 🌋 we’d all be burnt to death.

Still if you like science fiction you understand how the Shiar` harnessed our sun for a teleportation gateway.
Therefore in sci-fi there is a way to move with the star.

@AlbertoJohnAvil

OH REALLY? If a being is said to be a "living light" and glows like light
Will you straight up use linguistic definition to say he moves at 3×10^8 m/s just when everything the being has shown is walking on both feet and glowing ,just because he was called living light and stated to glow like light ?
Literal linguistic definition wouldn't work, period. I mean an actual light doesn't have feet or walks.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean in the comic Last Son was stated to be a living star. And it also shows us a lot of attributions similar to star.
Hydrogen-helium fusion, Emitting solar energy etc.
So it should be clear the comic wants to show us that the last son is a star with consciousness. Sounds silly? Comics always do. The same goes to Hulk's feat. If we accept it, Then we accept them both.
The comic used some RL "attributions of star" to describe a living star that of course only could exist in comics. It doesnt mean it needs to be completely equal to RL "logic"

Originally posted by TheHulkster
You can equally say that Last Son is a star so possesses the density of a star, which would make him somewhat over 300 pounds. You can't pick and choose.

Last Son is a walking, talking, normal sized Kryptonian which makes him so much out of the norm of a star that you can't apply any specific quality of a star to him unless specifically stated in the book. Beyond that is pure speculation and wishful extrapolation.

In the Hulk example, any referenced star is unseen and un-detailed, thus by default would be treated as an average star. So the "weight of a star" would be the weight of an average star.

And as I said, the spear is not a star and doesn't have a miniature star in it. It has the power of a star and this power can be emitted as force equalling the weight of a star. This is stated and shown in the comic.

Well you have to be willing to accept that Atlantis sank on earth and survived underwater to start accepting marvel 616.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@Darksaint

And I like said earlier, how many times has gravity defied physics in comics. That should be a universal metaphysical power by now.

Well if gravity isn't the issue then why not accept Superman's feat?

See DS if a star is assessed at status quo you could have a quid pro quo occurrence of a star on the earth in status respectively.
Thus Hulk stood up a star on his chest or Xorn has a star brain.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
1. Because Proxima stated it was forged from a sun, and Corvus states that it's the weight of a star.

Actually, it was Proxima who stated both.

I agree it's a legit feat.

And so is the "stellar mass" one w/ Lobo using his toonforce hook.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Density = Mass/Volume,no? Which would make last son density sky high if needed.
Also you literally got a living, talking neutron star(solaris) that could be small enough to enter a hollow in a tree in comics
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Action-Comics-1938/Issue-1-000-000?id=26231#9
And if we using RL science. Gravitational pull is something you cant ignore in Hulk's case.

Why does his density have to be sky high? Why wouldn't it be normal star density since he is a normal star and not a neutron star?

Again, the spear is not a star and there is no miniature star inside of it. It contains the power of a star and can generate force equalling the weight of a star.

Heck, Marvel"s official website says that it places infinite gravity on Hulk.

https://www.marvel.com/characters/proxima-midnight/in-comics

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Why does his density have to be sky high? Why wouldn't it be normal star density since he is a normal star and not a neutron star?

Again, the spear is not a star and there is no miniature star inside of it. It contains the power of a star and can generate force equalling the weight of a star.

Originally posted by TheHulkster

Heck, Marvel"s official website says that it places infinite gravity on Hulk.

https://www.marvel.com/characters/proxima-midnight/in-comics

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Why does his density have to be sky high? Why wouldn't it be normal star density since he is a normal star and not a neutron star?

Again, the spear is not a star and there is no miniature star inside of it. It contains the power of a star and can generate force equalling the weight of a star.

Heck, Marvel"s official website says that it places infinite gravity on Hulk.

https://www.marvel.com/characters/proxima-midnight/in-comics

There's only a group of people in denial of this ft. The writer, Marvel themselves and the comic mentioned the weight that was thrown on Hulk.

Please tell me you guys didn't take 23 pages arguing over whether they were feats at all, instead of comparing them.