Originally posted by TheHulkster
This is pretty much right on the money.
Except I just told him I was holding a car in my hand.
If I tell YOU that right now, I'm holding a car in my hand - specifically, a black Porsche made in 2010 (or whatever), does that tell you it's weight?
Or are you making an assumption?
Hopefully you are not using circular logic.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except I just told him I was holding a car in my hand.If I tell YOU that right now, I'm holding a car in my hand - specifically, a black Porsche made in 2010 (or whatever), does that tell you it's weight?
Or are you making an assumption?
Hopefully you are not using circular logic.
I assume you have the weight of a general, black 2010 Porsche, because until further mentioned it cleared, you stated that you have a black 2010 Porsche in your hand, 'm assuming the in your hand has no direct relevance to toy or not as then we breaking down linguistics as well.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean youre the one who said Last Son couldnt be a star because he can talk and walk. Despite the comic stated he is a star TWICE.
And BTW linguistic definition doesnt necessarily equal to RL "physics/logic". We read comics via using linguistic definition, But comics always have many scenes that contradicting with RL physics.
The scans of Hulk in this thread also were nonsense if we use RL physics.
To put it simple, Last Son is a star so he possesses weight of star.
You can equally say that Last Son is a star so possesses the density of a star, which would make him somewhat over 300 pounds. You can't pick and choose.
Last Son is a walking, talking, normal sized Kryptonian which makes him so much out of the norm of a star that you can't apply any specific quality of a star to him unless specifically stated in the book. Beyond that is pure speculation and wishful extrapolation.
In the Hulk example, any referenced star is unseen and un-detailed, thus by default would be treated as an average star. So the "weight of a star" would be the weight of an average star.
And as I said, the spear is not a star and doesn't have a miniature star in it. It has the power of a star and this power can be emitted as force equalling the weight of a star. This is stated and shown in the comic.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I assume you have the weight of a general, black 2010 Porsche, because until further mentioned it cleared, you stated that you have a black 2010 Porsche in your hand, 'm assuming the in your hand has no direct relevance to toy or not as then we breaking down linguistics as well.
Cool.
That's actually what I'm doing now. I'm holding a car in my hand.
This is truly a strength feat for me. I must be stronger than the strongest Man alive.
It makes SENSE based on the information available and provided. Once you mention "Wait I'm holding a toy car", NOW we have further information that the weight is different (again note there is no other info provided via pictures or statements etc....).
Now of course if you said you're holding a bus or a tank, people will be skeptical because normal humans aren't capable of doing that, but that's an argument for another day or event.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Except I just told him I was holding a car in my hand.If I tell YOU that right now, I'm holding a car in my hand - specifically, a black Porsche made in 2010 (or whatever), does that tell you it's weight?
Or are you making an assumption?
Hopefully you are not using circular logic.
We can judge that it's not an actual road driven car by our knowledge of what's possible in real life. If Superman is stated in a comic to have lifted a car over his head, we don't wonder whether it's a toy car or not. Context and common sense comes into play. Folks have sense enough to know what is being referenced in the Hulk scene.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
We can judge that it's not an actual road driven car by our knowledge of what's possible in real life. If Superman is stated in a comic to have lifted a car over his head, we don't wonder whether it's a toy car or not. Context and common sense comes into play. Folks have sense enough to know what is being referenced in the Hulk scene.
So circular logic, got ya. As I suspected.
Hulk is strong because he is lifting a star.
The star is heavy because it's Hulk.
Seems like the only reason folks are giving it to Hulk and not Superman, is because one struggled and Superman flew his into orbit, lol.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm holding a tank in my hand. Lmao.
Then I'll obviously need to question that further, since based.on what I know about normal humans, that shouldn't be possible.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So circular logic, got ya. As I suspected.Hulk is strong because he is lifting a star.
The star is heavy because it's Hulk.
Seems like the only reason folks are giving it to Hulk and not Superman, is because one struggled and Superman flew his into orbit, lol.
No, the problem is YOU KNOW we're right. Like. Always. It just kills you to admit it because it'll hurt your ego 😂
Originally posted by TheHulkster
We can judge that it's not an actual road driven car by our knowledge of what's possible in real life. If Superman is stated in a comic to have lifted a car over his head, we don't wonder whether it's a toy car or not. Context and common sense comes into play. Folks have sense enough to know what is being referenced in the Hulk scene.
plain and simple 👍
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Then I'll obviously need to question that further, since based.on what I know about normal humans, that shouldn't be possible.
Lol wait, so if I said I was holding a car in my hand, that's OK, but as soon as I said I was holding a tank it would be strange? 😂
Even so, you can't ask any more questions, just like you can't question Hulk or Hickman or Snyder. You only have my words, which are that I am holding a car, and it is a black Porsche. And it's heavy.
That's ALL the information you get. Apparently, though, you accept that at face value and don't question and assume it's a full sized car in my hand 😂
Now, if you want to apply "logic", then you would say well of course humans can't lift that much, so it MUST be a toy car!
IOW, you are applying your prior knowledge of what humans can or cannot do.
So with Hulk, you are doing the same. You are saying "well, common sense dictates its heavy - it's the gorram Hulk!!! Of COURSE it is heavy!!!!"
But that is circular logic. It is heavy because it is the Hulk, who is strong because it is heavy, and it is heavy because it is the Hulk. Round and round we go.
And it STILL doesn't tell you the weight 😂 just like with my car. Is it 10g? 100g? 1kg? 10kg? 1g? 20kg? ZERO idea.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So circular logic, got ya. As I suspected.Hulk is strong because he is lifting a star.
The star is heavy because it's Hulk.
Seems like the only reason folks are giving it to Hulk and not Superman, is because one struggled and Superman flew his into orbit, lol.
You addressed not one single point, but used a fabricated point as a straw man in order to claim a circular argument.
Originally posted by TheHulkster
You addressed not one single point, but used a fabricated point as a straw man in order to claim a circular argument.
Because your points were moot.
As I said originally, just as there are a whole spectrum of cars and their weights in real life, so too are there a whole spectrum of stars and their weights in comics. As you yourself helpfully pointed out, Xorn is a star, after all.
I mentioned Batman and his dozens of red suns, so types of stars that are SPECIFICALLY named.
You are assuming PM's spear is equal to the mass of full sized RL stars. When it's in a comic.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol wait, so if I said I was holding a car in my hand, that's OK, but as soon as I said I was holding a tank it would be strange? 😂Even so, you can't ask any more questions, just like you can't question Hulk or Hickman or Snyder. You only have my words, which are that I am holding a car, and it is a black Porsche. And it's heavy.
That's ALL the information you get. Apparently, though, you accept that at face value and don't question and assume it's a full sized car in my hand 😂
Now, if you want to apply "logic", then you would say well of course humans can't lift that much, so it MUST be a toy car!
IOW, you are applying your prior knowledge of what humans can or cannot do.
So with Hulk, you are doing the same. You are saying "well, common sense dictates its heavy - it's the gorram Hulk!!! Of COURSE it is heavy!!!!"
But that is circular logic. It is heavy because it is the Hulk, who is strong because it is heavy, and it is heavy because it is the Hulk. Round and round we go.
And it STILL doesn't tell you the weight 😂 just like with my car. Is it 10g? 100g? 1kg? 10kg? 1g? 20kg? ZERO idea.
One) Because normal people can't hold tanks at all.
Two) We stated that the Last Sun doesn't have the mass of a star because it's NEVER stated. All we know is that he has a hydrogen helium core.
Note that all of this was stated since it isnt stated anywhere that the Last Sun has the mass of a star, and that the Hulk has carried the mass of star.
Three) The Hulk is stated to be lifting the weight of a star, so we know that the Hulk did lift a star.
Note that we never stated since Superman moved him easily or Hulk struggled that the Last Sun doesnt have mass, and the Hulk did carry. That was not the reason, nor will it ever.
NOW for this human logic, SIMPLY because we KNOW a human can carry a max weight, we an hazard options. If you're using this to attempt to justify Last Sun, then tell me...
Give me examples of living stars and their weights. Go ahead 😂
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
One) Because normal people can't hold tanks at all.
Two) We stated that the Last Sun doesn't have the mass of a star because it's NEVER stated. All we know is that he has a hydrogen helium core.
Note that all of this was stated since it isnt stated anywhere that the Last Sun has the mass of a star, and that the Hulk has carried the mass of star.
Three) The Hulk is stated to be lifting the weight of a star, so we know that the Hulk did lift a star.
Note that we never stated since Superman moved him easily or Hulk struggled that the Last Sun doesnt have mass, and the Hulk did carry. That was not the reason, nor will it ever.
NOW for this human logic, SIMPLY because we KNOW a human can carry a max weight, we an hazard options. If you're using this to attempt to justify Last Sun, then tell me...
Give me examples of living stars and their weights. Go ahead 😂
One)But humans can hold cars in their hand? Singular, so in one hand? Ok 😂
Two) mass of a star with no size attached to it. You are just ASSUMING comic stars = RL stars.
Three) an unmentioned size of star. Xorn lifts his head which has a star in it, easily - Xorn neck muscles are apparently stronger than Hulk's entire body, right?
Batman swings his arms around with dozens of red suns attached to them. Superman takes punches from these same gauntlets. So....