Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But gravity IS what is being discussed here. This is the whole argument.If the spear was truly a full blown, generic star, then it would have destroyed Earth.
It didn't. It was only incredibly heavy. How heavy? We don't know. [b]YOU
don't know, and can only assume that its = to a RL 'life-giving star'. But its comics.Assuming it is = to a RL life-giving star means that Marvel Earth would be destroyed.
Go back to my post about cars. Just because I am struggling under its weight, does not mean it is a full sized car. Because cars can come in all shapes and sizes, just like comic book stars.
Xorn was a 'life-giving' star, after all. [/B]
😂 What? It's LITERALLY been stated to have the mass of one.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilhey dummy I asked you to correct the grammar of your post because it looks like it was written in another language then translated to English via google translate. It didt make sense, nothing does with you.
When you're still waiting for an idiot to explain his point 🤦
@Darksaint
If your statement of a car counts, logically unless specified, that you are either carrying the weight of an average car or a size of the smallest car. Note that here its mentioned you ARE carrying the weight of a car.
Hulks feat states he was under (and lifted) the weight of a star, so you either go with average (which is probably in the mid range of 5M) or the lowest, which is 1M. 1M in this case sounds fair (otherwise that would be an entire war )
Because the Last Sun is stated you have a hydrogen helium core, he is called a Living Star. Note that nowhere does it state he is as heavy or dense as one.
Bringing RL into this, note that the Atom stated THAT HIS star is 100 tons. Hulk feat shows that it states the spear to have the weight of a star. The Last Sun is stated to only have a hydrogen helium core.
And I like said earlier, how many times has gravity defied physics in comics. That should be a universal metaphysical power by now.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
@DarksaintIf your statement of a car counts, logically unless specified, that you are either carrying the weight of an average car or a size of the smallest car. Note that here its mentioned you ARE carrying the weight of a car.
Hulks feat states he was under (and lifted) the weight of a star, so you either go with average (which is probably in the mid range of 5M) or the lowest, which is 1M. 1M in this case sounds fair (otherwise that would be an entire war )
Because the Last Sun is stated you have a hydrogen helium core, he is called a Living Star. Note that nowhere does it state he is as heavy or dense as one.
Bringing RL into this, note that the Atom stated THAT HIS star is 100 tons. Hulk feat shows that it states the spear to have the weight of a star. The Last Sun is stated to only have a hydrogen helium core.
And I like said earlier, how many times has gravity defied physics in comics. That should be a universal metaphysical power by now.
That's merely your assumption though.
I could be carrying a toy car. A scale model. With no size given, you have zero idea what size car I am carrying.
More importantly, you have zero idea how much weight I am carrying. All I tell you is that I'm holding the mass of A car.
Hell, I could even specify that I'm carrying a SPECIFIC type of car - a Jeep.
Does that tell you anything? No.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilyou know what a white dwarf is moron? Was the last sun emitting white light? You’re blatant stupidity knows no bounds.
WELL It's from Adventures of Superman 618, I woulda ASSUMED you'd knew about it considering how much you deep throat Superman 😂 So yeah no unless the living star weight/mass was explictly stated, there's zero "stellar" mass from him.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So are you trying to use RL "logic" in comics? Then the same can be said for Hulk's feat. As always, You double standars are astounding.
No I'm not, you're the one trying to use linguistic definition for a "living star" that could walk and all.
In Hulk's case it was blatantly stated.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's merely your assumption though.I could be carrying a toy car. A scale model. With no size given, you have zero idea what size car I am carrying.
More importantly, you have zero idea how much weight I am carrying. All I tell you is that I'm holding the mass of [b]A
car.Hell, I could even specify that I'm carrying a SPECIFIC type of car - a Jeep.
Does that tell you anything? No. [/B]
In your case, then it would be mentioned as a toy car. Now we have a sizable mass to figure out. And I clearly mentioned, until we know what car it is, we assume its a regular (average or minimum) car.
Hulk's clearly state a star alone. Add that they added the life giving star, supernova and sun trapped in space-time as proof and we know it has to be our Sun specs at minimum.
Now you can apply that logic to the Last Sun, but the funny thing here is that unlike your example, where you stated you're carrying the mass of a car, It's not stated for the Last Sun. So we can't assume he has the mass of a sun. That said, we know he is Kryptonian so a starting mass would be from an average Kryptonian's weight (which I have no idea of).
Hulk lifting a star is fact. The Last Sun having the mass of one is assumption and head cannon, period.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
In your case, then it would be mentioned as a toy car. Now we have a sizable mass to figure out. And I clearly mentioned, until we know what car it is, we assume its a regular (average or minimum) car.
Hulk's clearly state a star alone. Add that they added the life giving star, supernova and sun trapped in space-time as proof and we know it has to be our Sun specs at minimum.
Now you can apply that logic to the Last Sun, but the funny thing here is that unlike your example, where you stated you're carrying the mass of a car, It's not stated for the Last Sun. So we can't assume he has the mass of a sun. That said, we know he is Kryptonian so a starting mass would be from an average Kryptonian's weight (which I have no idea of).Hulk lifting a star is fact. The Last Sun having the mass of one is assumption and head cannon, period.
But if it isn't, do you automatically assume it's a 1.5 ton sized car? Really?
I am holding a car in my right hand, right now. It's pretty heavy, actually. Don't think I can hold it for long. In fact, one might say it's 'weighing me down' with it's mass.
How heavy is this car, Albert? Let me help you out - it's a Porsche. There, I've named a specific type of car.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilI mean youre the one who said Last Son couldnt be a star because he can talk and walk. Despite the comic stated he is a star TWICE.
No I'm not, you're the one trying to use linguistic definition for a "living star" that could walk and all.
In Hulk's case it was blatantly stated.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean youre the one who said Last Son couldnt be a star because he can talk and walk. Despite the comic stated he is a star TWICE.
And BTW linguistic definition doesnt necessarily equal to RL "physics/logic". We read comics via using linguistic definition, But comics always have many scenes that contradicting with RL physics.
The scans of Hulk in this thread also were nonsense if we use RL physics.
To put it simple, Last Son is a star so he possesses weight of star.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You ASSUME that it would be mentioned as a toy car.But if it isn't, do you automatically assume it's a 1.5 ton sized car? Really?
I am holding a car in my right hand, right now. It's pretty heavy, actually. Don't think I can hold it for long. In fact, one might say it's 'weighing me down' with it's mass.
How heavy is this car, Albert? Let me help you out - it's a Porsche. There, I've named a specific type of car.
I'd go with an average or minimum (I don't have the number though) weight (weight on earth is just mass × 10 generally) of a Porsche (a proper built porsche, not a toy or model). That is generally the mindset anyone would consider it.
Note that the weighing down part is not highly necessary or useful as a metric. Sure it does state it is heavy, but that's it.
However in your case, with what we know (and assuming no picture), we can assume you are somehow holding the average/minimum weight of a general Porsche.
Thus the same with Hulk. Weight of a star is mentioned, so we go with the minimum weight which is 1 stellar mass (x 10 for weight
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
I mean youre the one who said Last Son couldnt be a star because he can talk and walk. Despite the comic stated he is a star TWICE.
And BTW linguistic definition doesnt necessarily equal to RL "physics/logic". We read comics via using linguistic definition, But comics always have many scenes that contradicting with RL physics.
The scans of Hulk in this thread also were nonsense if we use RL physics.
To put it simple, Last Son is a star so he possesses weight of star.
😂 OH REALLY? If a being is said to be a "living light" and glows like light
Will you straight up use linguistic definition to say he moves at 3×10^8 m/s just when everything the being has shown is walking on both feet and glowing ,just because he was called living light and stated to glow like light ?
Literal linguistic definition wouldn't work, period. I mean an actual light doesn't have feet or walks.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
In your case, then it would be mentioned as a toy car. Now we have a sizable mass to figure out. And I clearly mentioned, until we know what car it is, we assume its a regular (average or minimum) car.
Hulk's clearly state a star alone. Add that they added the life giving star, supernova and sun trapped in space-time as proof and we know it has to be our Sun specs at minimum.
Now you can apply that logic to the Last Sun, but the funny thing here is that unlike your example, where you stated you're carrying the mass of a car, It's not stated for the Last Sun. So we can't assume he has the mass of a sun. That said, we know he is Kryptonian so a starting mass would be from an average Kryptonian's weight (which I have no idea of).Hulk lifting a star is fact. The Last Sun having the mass of one is assumption and head cannon, period.
This is pretty much right on the money.