Originally posted by leonidas
of course, odin said something similar i think in early thor (or thor told galactus odin's power rivalled his?)
Do you mean these from Thor #162 and #168?
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Originally posted by leonidas
he might be talking about the uni-lord saga, when he grabbed vartu by the throat. that whole story was whacked though. not sure what perez was thinking. his confrontation with vartu was complicated by all the souls he possessed i think. terrible arc.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Its an alternate reality.
you've said that before and i've disagreed before. i understand your reasoning for believing that to be the case i think--the watcher's discussion with ss, saying he failed to go through, the scene with quasar in the final part of it. communication beam. i'm not even going to deny that it could well have been an alternate reality, in retrospect. but i DO think it's still canon to ss. doesn't mean much anyway because it was so convoluted. there's a scene in 121 that says EPILOGUE--CORRECTION, PROLOGUE. it clearly implies to me that while the events happened, the rift played havoc with space/time. the reference to the epilogue as a prologue could explain away the watcher/ss convo and explain how the comm beam seemed to hit him at the end and taht no time seemed to pass. i see the rift as a glitch in space/time, but it was still 616 ss who experienced the events, whether they happened in an alternate universe or took place on the far side of the universe like it said.
i'm not gonna pursue this further because the story sucked so hard it isn't worth it, but that's my take. feel free to dismiss it.
btw i only ever brought it up to suggest that's where law might have seen the scene. like i said, his manhandling vartu (who is also referenced as a 616 character 👆
Originally posted by leonidas
btw i only ever brought it up to suggest that's where law might have seen the scene. like i said, his manhandling vartu (who is also referenced as a 616 character 👆
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
As in a bio/handbook or based on the story? Im saying he's 616 too, but i was just wondering if he was actually designated in a handbook type of publishing.
read that back and realized i didn't finish that sentence. lol should have said: "like i said, his manhandling vartu (who is also referenced as a 616 character) is meaningless because of the 'soul power' he possessed."
anyway, the most credible source to give vartu the 616 designation is the marvunapp site. not perfect, i know, but generally very accurate. there are loads of other fan sites but none are verified of course. more curious, there isn't any site anywhere that i can find that supports the idea that the story is NOT canon to the surfer, or that references any of the supporting characters as anything other than 616. shrug
Originally posted by leonidas
you've said that before and i've disagreed before. i understand your reasoning for believing that to be the case i think--the watcher's discussion with ss, saying he failed to go through, the scene with quasar in the final part of it. communication beam. i'm not even going to deny that it could well have been an alternate reality, in retrospect. but i DO think it's still canon to ss. doesn't mean much anyway because it was so convoluted. there's a scene in 121 that says EPILOGUE--CORRECTION, PROLOGUE. it clearly implies to me that while the events happened, the rift played havoc with space/time. the reference to the epilogue as a prologue could explain away the watcher/ss convo and explain how the comm beam seemed to hit him at the end and taht no time seemed to pass. i see the rift as a glitch in space/time, but it was still 616 ss who experienced the events, whether they happened in an alternate universe or took place on the far side of the universe like it said.i'm not gonna pursue this further because the story sucked so hard it isn't worth it, but that's my take. feel free to dismiss it.
btw i only ever brought it up to suggest that's where law might have seen the scene. like i said, his manhandling vartu (who is also referenced as a 616 character 👆
Originally posted by leonidas
read that back and realized i didn't finish that sentence. lol should have said: "like i said, his manhandling vartu (who is also referenced as a 616 character) is meaningless because of the 'soul power' he possessed."anyway, the most credible source to give vartu the 616 designation is the marvunapp site. not perfect, i know, but generally very accurate. there are loads of other fan sites but none are verified of course. more curious, there isn't any site anywhere that i can find that supports the idea that the story is NOT canon to the surfer, or that references any of the supporting characters as anything other than 616. shrug
Originally posted by abhilegend
Vartu was a watcher from 616 universe who went into the unilord universe.
i agree. but he died and couldn't make it back. ss DID make it back. least imo. we KNOW time and space were messed up by the rift/wave, so it's not hard to believe his memories would be screwed up.
Originally posted by leonidas
he might be talking about the uni-lord saga, when he grabbed vartu by the throat. that whole story was whacked though. not sure what perez was thinking. his confrontation with vartu was complicated by all the souls he possessed i think. terrible arc.
Is the Uni-Lord saga canon to 616?