Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
The "meta" stuff is how Superman works regardless of Universes. It's part of his powerset, literally being the greatest hero. Supeemans dials go up to 11, 12, 20000, depending what the situation needs. Remove that and he isn't Superman, he's a character created by John Byrne.
Pretty much. I mean, isn't that what Jenkins originally planned for the Sentry, to be THE hero of Marvel?
When DC fans get all burthurt and hilariously defensive about it, you just know that you're on the money.
Marvel characters are simply more powerful. Deal with it. Post crisis Superman needed... like what? 20-30 years of existence to get one or two feats, which put him on the level of a Gladiator?
H1Z1 keeps talking about that lackluster chain feat from a non-canon Superman book, where in Marvel you have someone like Hyperion pushing back against two universes:
https://i.imgur.com/FK6Cl1J.jpg
Two universes. Not two Earths. Or two solar systems. Or two galaxies like in the case of Superman. Two UNIVERSES.
And he was pushing back against all of that physically, where in another instance the Infinity Gauntlet had been used to accomplish that (again with the statement that there is a literal UNIVERSE being pushed back):
https://i.imgur.com/uI2ERFX.jpg
And all of that was confirmed by the writer of the story:
https://i.imgur.com/PegaC8B.png
Me saying that Superman would be on the level of Gladiator or Hyperion is me holding Superman in insanely high regards. You have to be the fanboiest fanboi to ever fanboi fanboism to see any form of lowballing in my statements.
They're all still below the Sentry by a good amount. Imagine Gladiator or Hyperion or taking on the Sentry. It's like... what? They get pimp-smacked into another dimension.
And regarding the "meta-contextual part of Supermans power set". Superman would be Captain America 2.0. No other character in Marvel gets as much in-universe and outside-universe respect like Captain America. And that would apply for Superman as well. But that's also where it would end. That would not help him win any more fights.
But in the end of the day, to me it's hilarious anyway that Superman punching people is being sold as the best thing since sliced bread by the DC fans. It's like... "Superman punched Barbatos". Who cares? Universal / multiversal power does not automatically come with universal / multiversal durability (see Molecule Man). Superman didn't beat Barbatos. Neither did Superboy-Prime. Just like Thor didn't beat Chaos King, even though he made him flinch.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85Pretty much. I mean, isn't that what Jenkins originally planned for the Sentry, to be THE hero of Marvel?
It's not. Paul Jenkins had his ideas about mental illness and tackled those in very vague ways.
The Joker movie has a very nice quote during a scene: "The worst part about having mental illness is people expect you to behave as if you don't."
Stuff like that appeared in the very first Sentry volume as well. When Sentry and the others erased everyones memories for example: It happened to stop the chaos and destruction, but the underlying tones were normal people prefer to ignore an issue instead of tackling it. It's easier to hide something than to face and cure it.
Same with the seemingly perfect Golden Guardian of Good. All on the shallow surface, with something dark and twisted beneath it. In the second volume it was revealed that Sentry was just an ordinary guy with severe mental problems, who gained the power of god. If Jenkins ever wrote the third volume it would have been about Sentry finally accepting that godhood, where before he was actively trying to deny it.
Originally posted by MrMind
yeah to even suggest any marvel mages are even close to constantine level is absurdconstantine has taken down multiversal abstract being
they be better off competing with zatanna or doctor fate
dc magic is on a completely higher level
Based on absolutely nothing, Constantine has done nothing to be on Doom or Strange's level in terms of magic.
Originally posted by Enzeru
The DC fans are not going to like it, but the Sentry would do much better.[B]Like Booya_69 mentioned it:
Superman would lose all of his meta-stuff mumbo-jumbo in the Marvel universe, because that's not how Marvel works. He would be on the same level regular Kryptonians are in the DC universe. These regular Kryptonians are not backed up by meta-ideas of the writers.
And while Kryptonians are certainly a powerful race, Superman would still fall in line with your Gladiators and Hyperions. Which isn't a bad thing. Gladiator punches hyper-durable planets apart and crosses galaxies within the blink of an eye. Hyperion briefly holds two universes apart and survives universal explosions.
But your Gladiators and Hyperions are still below a character like the Sentry, who is a whole another animal.So Superman would be just another flying brick in the Marvel universe, who would win some and lose some. The Sentry on the other hand would continue to be a force of nature and would force legions of DC heroes to combine their efforts in order to stop him, if he loses control. [/B]
Exactly
100% agreed.
