Joe Biden, the 46th POTUS

Originally posted by snowdragon
How did you come to this conclusion? Do you believe it's a good answer to where we are as a society?

AOC apparently said that Biden’s $2 trillion climate plan sounds or is similar to her Green New Deal. Oil and gas are not going away tomorrow or in the near future, but the future is in "green" and renewable sources.

The Green New Deal was a good starting point, to get people talking and actions rolling, even if it had some unrealistic goals in regards to climate change and renewable energy.

I read that, what are your thoughts on that specifically?

Originally posted by snowdragon
I read that, what are your thoughts on that specifically?

It think it's great and looking towards where the future of energy is heading. As noted, oil and gas will not being going away completely, not anytime soon, but we're going to be replacing those more and more with solar, hydrogen and wind, we need to accept this reality sooner than later.

Pure electric cars account for around 1% (or less) of the cars in the US, that's going to change dramatically in the next decade and beyond, exponentially too. Tesla stock is trading at $850+, sure it's over-evaluated, but it's in part because they're ahead of the curve in electric cars and solar energy/batteries and people are looking forward, banking on the future with Tesla (Musk can still go **** himself in the face though) and similar companies trailblazing. Ford is at $11.00 and they have the best selling truck in the US 39 years running.

Even if Biden's proposal to "stop all climate-damaging emissions from U.S. power plants by 2035" is lofty, it at least sets a goal and tone.

Edit: I forget who said it, but Tesla trades like a tech company, not automotive.

GM is phasing out the internal combustion engine over the next 15 years they said today.

Originally posted by Robtard
It think it's great and looking towards where the future of energy is heading. As noted, oil and gas will not being going away completely, not anytime soon, but we're going to be replacing those more and more with solar, hydrogen and wind, we need to accept this reality sooner than later.

Pure electric cars account for around 1% (or less) of the cars in the US, that's going to change dramatically in the next decade and beyond, exponentially too. Tesla stock is trading at $850+, sure it's over-evaluated, but it's in part because they're ahead of the curve in electric cars and solar energy/batteries and people are looking forward, banking on the future with Tesla (Musk can still go **** himself in the face though) and similar companies trailblazing. Ford is at $11.00 and they have the best selling truck in the US 39 years running.

Even if Biden's proposal to "stop all climate-damaging emissions from U.S. power plants by 2035" is lofty, it at least sets a goal and tone.

Edit: I forget who said it, but Tesla trades like a tech company, not automotive.

Had not heard, will look it up, I love car stuff. Thanks.

Speaking of though, Rolls Royce will be offering an electric vehicle for the very wealthy. GM resurrected the doomed "Hummer" brand, it's now a 1,000hp all electric monstrosity. Still cool though, turning what was the American posterboy of gas-guzzling-f**k-you-environmentalist into something "green" Honestly, I kinda like it, not sure I'd drive it though.

Originally posted by Robtard
Had not heard, will look it up, I love car stuff. Thanks.

Speaking of though, Rolls Royce will be offering an electric vehicle for the very wealthy. GM resurrected the doomed "Hummer" brand, it's now a 1,000hp all electric monstrosity. Still cool though, turning what was the American posterboy of gas-guzzling-f**k-you-environmentalist into something "green" Honestly, I kinda like it, not sure I'd drive it though.

"I wouldn't drive it, I'd have my driver, drive it for me." -Ser Whirly

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Originally posted by Robtard
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Us will become like a little teapot, short and stout

So is everyone in agreement that Biden's extreme overuse of executive orders is shitty behaviour, terrible leadership and executive overreach? He's already at over 10% of Trump's 4 year total.

context matters. were there any seemingly nefarious orders which should be noted?

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
So is everyone in agreement that Biden's extreme overuse of executive orders is shitty behaviour, terrible leadership and executive overreach? He's already at over 10% of Trump's 4 year total.

So to me, had Trump actually done a correct job in passing laws, rather than ruling by EO, we wouldn’t be in this predicament. Instead, he had control of the senate and couldn’t really pass legislator, except confirm a ridiculous amount of judges.

It's a shame the original Trump presidency thread mysteriously vanished. I don't recall much talk of context there.

Biden doesn't even have Trump's excuse for using them in that his party controls the legislative branch where as Trump didn't.

Yes there are things which need urgent action. The pandemic, for example.

The MO from now on will be that an incoming president from "the other side" will use executive orders to undo the outgoing president's executive orders. Rather than effecting long lasting legal change.

Rather than see it for the shitty practice it is, excuses will be made for why its "different" when their guy does it.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
It's a shame the original Trump presidency thread mysteriously vanished. I don't recall much talk of context there.

Biden doesn't even have Trump's excuse for using them in that his party controls the legislative branch where as Trump didn't.

Yes there are things which need urgent action. The pandemic, for example.

The MO from now on will be that an incoming president from "the other side" will use executive orders to undo the outgoing president's executive orders. Rather than effecting long lasting legal change.

Rather than see it for the shitty practice it is, excuses will be made for why its "different" when their guy does it.

That said, if a political party doesn’t have full control, they need to be able to negotiate. The way it’s headed now, presidents will just use EO to pass agendas that get reverse with new president. Otherwise they need full control

Trump uses his EO for some pretty outrageous stuff and he abused his authority. Yes, I fully expected the new president to undo everything he did

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Not sure about trump thread. Never posted there

That said, if a political party doesn’t have full control, they need to be able to negotiate. The way it’s headed now, presidents will just use EO to pass agendas that get reverse with new president. Otherwise they need full control

Trump uses his EO for some pretty outrageous stuff and he abused his authority. Yes, I fully expected the new president to undo everything he did

"Outrageous" is just a matter of perspective. One man's "securing the southern border" is another man's "racist against Mexicans"

Just as allowing men to compete as women in sports has multiple facets dependent upon your political standpoint.

We are in agreement on how it seems things are going to go from now on. Unless Biden plans on cementing all these executive orders with more permanent legislation at a later date and is just using the EO's to get things done quickly. Although that wouldn't really explain some of the issues he's chosen to act on so quickly. Like I'm not sure discrimination against Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders is a massively urgent problem.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
"Outrageous" is just a matter of perspective. One man's "securing the southern border" is another man's "racist against Mexicans"

Just as allowing men to compete as women in sports has multiple facets dependent upon your political standpoint.

We are in agreement on how it seems things are going to go from now on. Unless Biden plans on cementing all these executive orders with more permanent legislation at a later date and is just using the EO's to get things done quickly. Although that wouldn't really explain some of the issues he's chosen to act on so quickly. Like I'm not sure discrimination against Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders is a massively urgent problem.

You say that as if a.) presidents have not historically understood that their executive actions may be undone by the next president, and b.) that Trump is not an outlier who is more likely to have his executive actions undone than others.

It's going to be an interesting next 4 years

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
So is everyone in agreement that Biden's extreme overuse of executive orders is shitty behaviour, terrible leadership and executive overreach? He's already at over 10% of Trump's 4 year total.

It's what Obama did as well. I don't think Biden's use of executive orders is shitty behavior, and I didn't think Trump's was either. It's just how politics works in the US now as the legislative has completely retreated from legislating due to excessive partisanship. The US democratic system needs reform, until then executive orders will be the main tool for presidency to actually implement the politics they were voted in for.