Originally posted by h1a8
He pushed Giant man a little and caused him to lose balance and start stumbling. He didn't knock Giant man down.And that was a ram. A ram has significant more force than the amount of force one can manipulate with their hand.
I would say about 15-30 tons of force. Just for reference, Giant man weighed less than 200 tons.
Note :, Im pretty sure you are not serious, but if you are then prove the 50,000 tons. This should be good.
I used the exact same computations you used to get my 50,000 tons number. If you want proof, all you need to do is look at your formula for getting the 10,000 tons number you came up with.
Originally posted by Robtard
What do you people think is more durable, Vision's composite vibranium body or Kryptonian tissue? That would help determine what would happen should vision phase-punch Nam and then go back to solid while still inside. (This is Vision in his normal state, not increasing his density)Though either way Nam is screwed, because if he's more durable, his body would sever Vision's fist/arm and Nam would end up with chunks of Vibranium inside him.
Problem with Kryptonian tissue is we never actually see any Kryptonian tank any kind of melee weapon wielded by a super strong opponent. Well, there's Doomsday's spikes I guess, and we know those can pierce Superman.
IIRC, Namek did get knocked down by jet fire rounds, whereas Vision easily stood his ground when a bus smashed against him and he even split it in two. Granted, neither of this prove the durability of their skin but it does show that Vision is better able to resist force.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is not comic vision. This vision phased inside enemies only to manipulate their insides.
Again, the 2:57 mark.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ffs Vision has intangibility AND flight AND mind stone blasts AND super speed AND a vibranium body AND tremendous strength...Against a guy who can leap and chuck a train.
We can argue whose stronger all day, but it really wont make much difference to how completely one sided this fight is.
Pretty much this. Vision's arsenal and defenses are greater.
Nam-Ek also has an exploitable weakness, his armor is very durable, just don't know how many Mind Stone blast it can take before the mask is compromised.
The super-speed though, is that going from the show only? Cos I'd be reluctant to use that until we know if that's Vision's powers or Wanda's reality warping powers.
Originally posted by Robtard
Pretty much this. Vision's arsenal and defenses are greater.Nam-Ek also has an exploitable weakness, his armor is very durable, just don't know how many Mind Stone blast it can take before the mask is compromised.
The super-speed though, is that going from the show only? Cos I'd be reluctant to use that until we know if that's Vision's powers or Wanda's reality warping powers.
You know what I'm worried about? That with only 2 episodes left, the MCU might just decide to not explain Wanda's and Vision's power jump and simply leave it with "Hey, we wanted to make them look cool so yeah... we didn't care about power consistency" reason.
Like, they'll probably give an explanation of how Vision is alive again and how Wanda started the whole Westview thing but I doubt they'll explain why there's such a huge power jump in their capabilities.
Originally posted by KingD19
They're giving him a lot of speed feats too when all he did was grab a novice at flying Superman from his blindside when he was focusing on Faora.
It's dumb because then you have to prove that Superman was operating at his top speed when that happened. Humans in a helicopter was also able to shoot Superman. I guess we give them super speed as well.
Originally posted by FrothByteSo in other words, you are not serious. Good to know.
I used the exact same computations you used to get my 50,000 tons number. If you want proof, all you need to do is look at your formula for getting the 10,000 tons number you came up with.
If you don't believe the 10,000 ton number then I can repost the calculations. You can review it or have an expert check it,
Originally posted by carver9
It's dumb because then you have to prove that Superman was operating at his top speed when that happened. Humans in a helicopter was also able to shoot Superman. I guess we give them super speed as well.
Fiction inconsistency Carv. High and low showings. Gas station ko remember?
Also, shooting someone with a gun doesn't make the shooter fast. It makes the person shot slow.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Ffs Vision has intangibility AND flight AND mind stone blasts AND super speed AND a vibranium body AND tremendous strength...Against a guy who can leap and chuck a train.
We can argue whose stronger all day, but it really wont make much difference to how completely one sided this fight is.
None of those things can hurt Nam.
Naming a bunch of powers where said powers can't win.
The train throw proves Nam can possibly one shot Vision.
Originally posted by tkitna
Again, the 2:57 mark.
Thanks for proving me correct. Vision manipulated the robots insides like I said.
Originally posted by FrothByteYou can't cherry pick showings (low ones for one character against high ones for another). You are clearly bias. Why not compare. Both their high feats to prevent from lowballing one character and highballing another?
Problem with Kryptonian tissue is we never actually see any Kryptonian tank any kind of melee weapon wielded by a super strong opponent. Well, there's Doomsday's spikes I guess, and we know those can pierce Superman.IIRC, Namek did get knocked down by jet fire rounds, whereas Vision easily stood his ground when a bus smashed against him and he even split it in two. Granted, neither of this prove the durability of their skin but it does show that Vision is better able to resist force.
Nam tanked Superman's haymakers. Resisted over 10,000 tons of force, etc.
Originally posted by h1a8
So in other words, you are not serious. Good to know.If you don't believe the 10,000 ton number then I can repost the calculations. You can review it or have an expert check it,
Oh I'm very serious. I calculated the 50,000 ton number using exactly the same formula you use. If you disagree with it then please prove it.
Originally posted by h1a8
Fiction inconsistency Carv. High and low showings. Gas station ko remember?
Also, shooting someone with a gun doesn't make the shooter fast. It makes the person shot slow.None of those things can hurt Nam.
Naming a bunch of powers where said powers can't win.The train throw proves Nam can possibly one shot Vision.
Thanks for proving me correct. Vision manipulated the robots insides like I said.
You can't cherry pick showings (low ones for one character against high ones for another). You are clearly bias. Why not compare. Both their high feats to prevent from lowballing one character and highballing another?
Nam tanked Superman's haymakers. Resisted over 10,000 tons of force, etc.
Nam never tanked Superman's blows.
Originally posted by FrothByte
You know what I'm worried about? That with only 2 episodes left, the MCU might just decide to not explain Wanda's and Vision's power jump and simply leave it with "Hey, we wanted to make them look cool so yeah... we didn't care about power consistency" reason.Like, they'll probably give an explanation of how Vision is alive again and how Wanda started the whole Westview thing but I doubt they'll explain why there's such a huge power jump in their capabilities.
Well, the people behind the scenes, such as Feige and others, have repeatedly hinted at Wanda having a lot of untapped potential of a more hax nature, but that she lacked experience and confidence to fully tap into her powers. And it's possible that her screwed up mental state attributed to her no longer restraining herself. Or maybe
Spoiler:. How Vision is suddenly able to do things like this though? That remains unknown:
Agatha unlocked something inside her
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, the people behind the scenes, such as Feige and others, have repeatedly hinted at Wanda having a lot of untapped potential of a more hax nature, but that she lacked experience and confidence to fully tap into her powers. And it's possible that her screwed up mental state attributed to her no longer restraining herself. Or maybeSpoiler:. How Vision is suddenly able to do things like this though? That remains unknown:
Agatha unlocked something inside her
That "untapped potential" reasoning is technically a semi-realistic explanation but it's ridiculously lazy writing. It's like when Wanda went from struggling to fight off Proxima Midnight to beating up Thanos in the span of a few days. They never provided an explanation for it other than, "Well she always had that power in her and she just needed to be pissed off enough to tap into it".
It's not technically incorrect but it's a ricidulous cop out.