Originally posted by riv6672
^^^The opinion is what you’re trying to pass off as facts as to what if anything all that means in regards to resisting a phase attack.^^^oh that’s def. an opinion. And a silly one at that.
I gave nam's durability feats as facts. You made the claim that vision can damage his internals. you must prove this claim. otherwise, you are guilty of spreading opinions with 0 facts.
Originally posted by h1a8
I never claimed Nam's insides were as durable as his outside. You have to prove (using science and math) how much force his insides can take if his outsides can take over 10,000 tons of force. Then you must prove that Vision can apply that amount of force with his hand only. Otherwise, you are speculating and stating opinions with no actual factual science basis.
You stated as fact, that Vision did not have the strength to harm Nam-Eks internal organs because he can take some insane amount of force that you made up. Its up to you to prove that Nam-Eks innards are to durable for Vision to harm. Just how durable would organs have to be for a being of Visions power to not be able to harm them? What is Nam-Eks internal organ density? Use your fabricated space numbers. We are all waiting for your supposed real world physics pertaining to fictional characters.
Originally posted by tkitna
You stated as fact, that Vision did not have the strength to harm Nam-Eks internal organs because he can take some insane amount of force that you made up. Its up to you to prove that Nam-Eks innards are to durable for Vision to harm. Just how durable would organs have to be for a being of Visions power to not be able to harm them? What is Nam-Eks internal organ density? Use your fabricated space numbers. We are all waiting for your supposed real world physics pertaining to fictional characters.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
I like Vision, he's powerful, His Mind blast oneshotted Warmachine, and I think it would have oneshotted Corvus as well.
I'd like to point something out though.
You say he makes stuff up by saying Vision can't damage Namek's insides due to his durability. But then you turn around and make up stuff about Vision damaging a Kryptonian's insides.
I hope you aren't basing it off Ultron's bots because then you'd have to be comparing Namek's durability with the bots.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Let me put it this way:
Namek has super strength and super durability. Vision has super strength and super durability.
Namek has never truly damaged or injured a superhuman opponent before. Vision has at least damaged and injured superhuman opponents before if you count Warmachine.
Namek has proven strong enough to knock around Superman. Vision has proven strong enough to knock around Giantman.
The fairest comparison we can take away from this is that Namek and Vision are near enough in strength and durability to each other. So if the question is whether or not a person of similar strength to another can rip out their insides, the burden of proof false to the more unlikely claim:
In this case, that means it's the person who claims that Namek's insides are way too tough for Vision to damage. That's the more unlikely claim, therefore that's where burden of proof lies.
Originally posted by 9jaboy
I like Vision, he's powerful, His Mind blast oneshotted Warmachine, and I think it would have oneshotted Corvus as well.
I'd like to point something out though.
You say he makes stuff up by saying Vision can't damage Namek's insides due to his durability. But then you turn around and make up stuff about Vision damaging a Kryptonian's insides.
I hope you aren't basing it off Ultron's bots because then you'd have to be comparing Namek's durability with the bots.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm basing it off of common sense. A being with super strength and the abilities to increase or decrease his mass wouldnt be able to move around or damage the internal organs of a kryptonian?
How do you see it going?
[i]Originally posted by tkitna [/i
I'm basing it off of common sense. A being with super strength and the abilities to increase or decrease his mass wouldnt be able to move around or damage the internal organs of a kryptonian?How do you see it going?
I do believe his insides would be as durable as his outsides due to no evidence to suggest otherwise. The eyes of a Kryptonian which should be one of the weakest spots in his body spits out very hot beams of energy so.
Aside Phasing,Vision has a lot going for him, flight and Mind blast, he could just be airborne and blast away.
As for Durability, Namek was shown to be massively durable. He took several hits from Superman without much damage if any.
Originally posted by tkitna
You stated as fact, that Vision did not have the strength to harm Nam-Eks internal organs because he can take some insane amount of force that you made up. Its up to you to prove that Nam-Eks innards are to durable for Vision to harm. Just how durable would organs have to be for a being of Visions power to not be able to harm them? What is Nam-Eks internal organ density? Use your fabricated space numbers. We are all waiting for your supposed real world physics pertaining to fictional characters.
I didn't claim how much force it takes. I claimed how much force Nam took from the outside. You made the first claim that Vision wins by effecting Nam's insides. The onus is on you.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Let me put it this way:Namek has super strength and super durability. Vision has super strength and super durability.
Namek has never truly damaged or injured a superhuman opponent before. Vision has at least damaged and injured superhuman opponents before if you count Warmachine.
Namek has proven strong enough to knock around Superman. Vision has proven strong enough to knock around Giantman.
The fairest comparison we can take away from this is that Namek and Vision are near enough in strength and durability to each other. So if the question is whether or not a person of similar strength to another can rip out their insides, the burden of proof false to the more unlikely claim:
In this case, that means it's the person who claims that Namek's insides are way too tough for Vision to damage. That's the more unlikely claim, therefore that's where burden of proof lies.
Dumbest logic ever. Pushing Giant man off balance only takes a few tons of force.
A human can slightly push another human (when they are distracted) to cause them to lose balance.
Nam threw a 200ton train enough distance that it was over 10,000 tons of force.
Nam took hits from Superman, who is far stronger than anything Vision ever tanked. Nam took a full blast of HV without damage, which is far more than Vision ever took.
How in the hell are their durability and strength close again? You are saying Vision is as strong as Superman? Really?
You are so bias, you lost all reasoning.
That's not how it works. If Nam's durability feats are quantified. Then you have to have quantified strength feats for Vision to prove that Vision can harm Nam.
Pushing giantman off balance is more than a magnitude less than what's needed.
Originally posted by h1a8
Dumbest logic ever. Pushing Giant man off balance only takes a few tons of force.
A human can slightly push another human (when they are distracted) to cause them to lose balance.Nam threw a 200ton train enough distance that it was over 10,000 tons of force.
Nam took hits from Superman, who is far stronger than anything Vision ever tanked. Nam took a full blast of HV without damage, which is far more than Vision ever took.How in the hell are their durability and strength close again? You are saying Vision is as strong as Superman? Really?
You are so bias, you lost all reasoning.
That's not how it works. If Nam's durability feats are quantified. Then you have to have quantified strength feats for Vision to prove that Vision can harm Nam.
Pushing giantman off balance is more than a magnitude less than what's needed.
It's actually takes 50,000 tons of force to knock down Giantman. That's a lot more impressive than Namek's 10,000 force of throwing a train.
So yeah, you lose.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't claim how much force it takes. I claimed how much force Nam took from the outside. You made the first claim that Vision wins by effecting Nam's insides. The onus is on you.
Yes, you keep running back to how much force Nam took from the outside which is a complete non factor to Vision. His inside is not near as durable as his outside. No living organisms is.
Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't claim how much force it takes. I claimed how much force Nam took from the outside. You made the first claim that Vision wins by effecting Nam's insides. The onus is on you.
Wrong, Nam's internals have no feats of withstanding Vision level force, meanwhile Vision has feats of effecting people's internals. thus it's assumed the attack will work.
Just like mental, magical, transmutation etc attacks would be assumed to work since Nam has no feats of withstanding them or similar attacks.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Wrong, Nam's internals have no feats of withstanding Vision level force, meanwhile Vision has feats of effecting people's internals. thus it's assumed the attack will work.Just like mental, magical, transmutation etc attacks would be assumed to work since Nam has no feats of withstanding them or similar attacks.
Originally posted by tkitna
Yes, you keep running back to how much force Nam took from the outside which is a complete non factor to Vision. His inside is not near as durable as his outside. No living organisms is.
So scale off animals and determine how much force is needed to be able to damage his internals. Im not claiming insides are not weaker since that doesn't matter. You have to determine how much weaker.
Originally posted by FrothByteHe pushed Giant man a little and caused him to lose balance and start stumbling. He didn't knock Giant man down.
It's actually takes 50,000 tons of force to knock down Giantman. That's a lot more impressive than Namek's 10,000 force of throwing a train.So yeah, you lose.
And that was a ram. A ram has significant more force than the amount of force one can manipulate with their hand.
I would say about 15-30 tons of force. Just for reference, Giant man weighed less than 200 tons.
Note :, Im pretty sure you are not serious, but if you are then prove the 50,000 tons. This should be good.
What do you people think is more durable, Vision's composite vibranium body or Kryptonian tissue? That would help determine what would happen should vision phase-punch Nam and then go back to solid while still inside. (This is Vision in his normal state, not increasing his density)
Though either way Nam is screwed, because if he's more durable, his body would sever Vision's fist/arm and Nam would end up with chunks of Vibranium inside him.