MCU Vision vs. Nam-Ek

Originally posted by FrothByte
That "untapped potential" reasoning is technically a semi-realistic explanation but it's ridiculously lazy writing. It's like when Wanda went from struggling to fight off Proxima Midnight to beating up Thanos in the span of a few days. They never provided an explanation for it other than, "Well she always had that power in her and she just needed to be pissed off enough to tap into it".

It's not technically incorrect but it's a ricidulous cop out.

When fighting members of the Black Order, she was also worried about Vision who had a big hole in his chest. There are multiple instances where she knocks Corvus and Proxima down and gains the upper hand but then drops the offensive to help Vision instead. So, she was handicapped for that fight. When she fought Thanos, she'd already lost Vision (and had watched Thanos murder him right in front of her eyes) so had no distractions or reason to hold back any longer.

So, I personally don't really have much issue with that one, especially when you consider how terribly inconsistent the Russos are with power levels in general. They have a habit of making characters as strong/weak or as competent/incompetent as they need depending on what they want to happen in a scene. Cap, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Thor, Captain Marvel etc. have all been subject to this. Hell, in EG, Carol went from being able to fly from the top of the upper atmosphere to near the ground in a few seconds but later can't even cover a couple hundred meters in that same amount of time when trying to get the IG to the van portal before Thanos could destroy it. And those two feats took place within minutes of each other. Never mind days. Or Thanos going from straining to overpower Thor with both arms and better leverage to being able to resist Thor and Cap's combined strength with one arm a few minutes later.

I suppose with Vision you could also theoretically argue that the potential was there all along. Because he does have a super fast AI brain and a physiology that can be pushed well beyond human limits. It's just really weird that they only introduced it now though.

With all being said, by speedster standards, Vision isn't that fast. As per Wanda in the first episode, when they were arguing about the heart on the calendar being an abbreviation, "You move at the speed of sound and I can make a pen float through the air. Who needs to abbreviate?" So, based on current information, he's about Mach 1. Because his other speed feats, such as typing or dealing cards super fast, or running to fetch the doctor when Wanda went into labour, are pretty much impossible to quantify accurately. So, Vision is roughly on par with early S1 CW Flash. Still a lot faster than he was before though.

Trying to figure out how throwing a 200 ton train is 10k and pushing a 500 to 2k ish ton (can't remember what weight exactly) giant equals 50 k tons of force

This turned into some really interesting reading.
I love when you guys go into chill mode!

Originally posted by tkitna
Give me an example of any living organism where its internal makeup is as durable as its outside epidermis. There is your evidence.

Are you convinced yet.
I was just commenting on your accusations when you're actually doing the exact same thing.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Trying to figure out how throwing a 200 ton train is 10k and pushing a 500 to 2k ish ton (can't remember what weight exactly) giant equals 50 k tons of force

Antman weighed nowhere near that in Civil War. He was like 80ft tall which would put him around 200 tons. Anyway, froth is clearly trolling H1 with his numbers.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Trying to figure out how throwing a 200 ton train is 10k and pushing a 500 to 2k ish ton (can't remember what weight exactly) giant equals 50 k tons of force

Giantman weighed between 125-150 tons.
His height was calculated to be about 65ft (from some website). Thats 11 times his normal height. 11^3 = 1331. So he weighed 1331 times more than normal. Assuming he weighed 200lbs then we get 133 tons.

But pushing someone off balance takes way less force than lifting them. I can push a distracted human off balance with a simple 50 pounds of force or less. You do the math from there.

As far as the 10,000 tons of force here you go

https://i.imgur.com/cjRYlAZ.png

Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
With all being said, by speedster standards, Vision isn't that fast. As per Wanda in the first episode, when they were arguing about the heart on the calendar being an abbreviation, "You move at the speed of sound and I can make a pen float through the air. Who needs to abbreviate?" So, based on current information, he's about Mach 1. Because his other speed feats, such as typing or dealing cards super fast, or running to fetch the doctor when Wanda went into labour, are pretty much impossible to quantify accurately. So, Vision is roughly on par with early S1 CW Flash. Still a lot faster than he was before though.

And I'd like to point out that Faora is clocked at 309mph during her little super speed dashes. Same guy who calced Quicksikver and the other speedsters. And Nam-Ek is a lot slower than her.

Originally posted by KingD19
And I'd like to point out that Faora is clocked at 309mph during her little super speed dashes. Same guy who calced Quicksikver and the other speedsters. And Nam-Ek is a lot slower than her.

Originally posted by 9jaboy
It seems to me that you're stating his Opinion as Facts.

You do the calculations and prove him wrong then. Seems to me you're reaching. Especially since I don't see you disputing H1's math.

Originally posted by KingD19
And I'd like to point out that Faora is clocked at 309mph during her little super speed dashes. Same guy who calced Quicksikver and the other speedsters. And Nam-Ek is a lot slower than her.

The calculation is wrong. When she blitzed at her fastest We can't accurately measure her speed. The frame rate of the movie is about 24 frames per second.
That means each frame is about 0.4 of a second.
She travels so fast that she arrives instantly at her final location in a future frame. Meaning, we never seen her at an intermediate location between frames (between starting position and ending position). It appears as if she is teleporting.

Also you should know the calculation is wrong because they ESTIMATED 0.1 of a second to reach 13 or so meters. But the frames are more than 0.4 of a second.

Originally posted by KingD19
You do the calculations and prove him wrong then. Seems to me you're reaching. Especially since I don't see you disputing H1's math.

I just want to get it clear out there because you used the same guy's maths with me.

Maths. 😆

But the home version show at 60 frames! 😳

Originally posted by Robtard
Pretty much this. Vision's arsenal and defenses are greater.

Nam-Ek also has an exploitable weakness, his armor is very durable, just don't know how many Mind Stone blast it can take before the mask is compromised.

The super-speed though, is that going from the show only? Cos I'd be reluctant to use that until we know if that's Vision's powers or Wanda's reality warping powers.

Yeah the super speed is from the show. So yeah dont know if he has that outside of the show.

And dont know if he actually has the mind stone in the show either.

But apparently none of it matters because according to h1a8 none of these fantastical abilities can do jack to Nam because he threw a train.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah the super speed is from the show. So yeah dont know if he has that outside of the show.

And dont know if he actually has the mind stone in the show either.

But apparently none of it matters because according to h1a8 none of these fantastical abilities can do jack to Nam because he threw a train.

I'd not use it as one of Vision's usable powers then here, not that he needs it to win.

I'm assuming it's not the real stone as all the stones were destroyed in the current timeline. I think Wanda is powering Vision with a portion of her powers.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'd not use it as one of Vision's usable powers then here, not that he needs it to win.

I'm assuming it's not the real stone as all the stones were destroyed in the current timeline. I think Wanda is powering Vision with a portion of her powers.

Originally posted by Robtard
I'd not use it as one of Vision's usable powers then here, not that he needs it to win.

I'm assuming it's not the real stone as all the stones were destroyed in the current timeline. I think Wanda is powering Vision with a portion of her powers.

Honestly only brought up the super speed as a response to h1 claiming Nam blitzes. And to give him a chance to prove hes not completely biased, and can be even a little objective.

Probably. He hasnt used the fake mind stone in any way has he?

Originally posted by cdtm
But the home version show at 60 frames! 😳

Frames are duplicated. The film was shot in 24fps.