Bet Ray Bill vs Orion.

Started by Stoic21 pages

Originally posted by -Pr-
Okay? I never said it was destroyed in one shot. Just that it was destroyed by their fight, which the comic and the writer state. I don't see the problem.

It wasn't a ruling, just an opinion. Just fyi. But yes, I would consider it to be unquantifiable.

Thanks for that.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
The comic never stated anything, all Kyle did was make an assumption. Kyle wasn’t there to see it.

Umm, yes it does.

In #26, Kyle says "The whole system... rubble" while he's floating in it. The ring says nobody survived. Then Hal comments that he's "surrounded by a dead star system".

That and what the writer said should be enough for anyone, I would think.

Yeah, I don't think qwerty or anyone was ever holding hard numbers down, quantifying it.

The issue shows them fighting, and as a result of their fight, a solar system was destroyed. A massive amount of energy was obviously outputted, but I don't think anyone said 'X Joules came from Orion, and Y Joules came from the golem'......

@Stoic
I think weve settled now on this subject. It seems weve achieved understandings and agreements 👆 . And Like you said we should be moving forward and away from this subject

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, I don't think qwerty or anyone was ever holding hard numbers down, quantifying it.

The issue shows them fighting, and as a result of their fight, a solar system was destroyed. A massive amount of energy was obviously outputted, but I don't think anyone said 'X Joules came from Orion, and Y Joules came from the golem'......

It blew apart planets throughout the Solar System over the course of the fight. Their fight happened across the Solar System So since the planets were only fragmented and not dusted, they were only traversing and affecting large sections of the Solar System that ultimately tore apart the whole thing but with visible remnants, rather than having affected all of it at once at any point making it less impressive. There's nothing amazing about this "Feat" whatsoever

Originally posted by -Pr-
Umm, yes it does.

In #26, Kyle says "The whole system... rubble" while he's floating in it. The ring says nobody survived. Then Hal comments that he's "surrounded by a dead star system".

That and what the writer said should be enough for anyone, I would think.

Yeah, rubble. Remnants. Fragments. There's something left of a Solar System that being so severely damaged is still very much "dead", which also refers to the lack of life, not the System being eradicated into particles although it does include the large-scale but not complete destruction of the System.

Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Yeah, rubble. Remnants. Fragments. There's something left of a Solar System that being so severely damaged is still very much "dead", which also refers to the lack of life, not the System being eradicated into particles although it does include the large-scale but not complete destruction of the System.

That's just a narrow definition of the word "destroy". At best it's just semantics. At worst, you're being disingenuous for no real reason. It doesn't change the outcome of the battle.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's just a narrow definition of the word "destroy". At best it's just semantics. At worst, you're being disingenuous for no real reason. It doesn't change the outcome of the battle.

No, it's not. Visible portions of the planets remaining means they weren't powerful enough at least in that fight to utterly annihilate the whole thing. "Blowing it apart over a short time" is different from "reducing it to basically nothingness".

And the whole thing didn't need to be dusted for everyone in it to be dead, which plus the simple destruction that did happen making it a cosmic graveyard is enough for it to be considered a "dead Solar System".

That's like arguing WBH never destroyed a world, because there were chunks of rubble around....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, I don't think qwerty or anyone was ever holding hard numbers down, quantifying it.

The issue shows them fighting, and as a result of their fight, a solar system was destroyed. A massive amount of energy was obviously outputted, but I don't think anyone said 'X Joules came from Orion, and Y Joules came from the golem'......

Request to you moderator.....I have only just now noticed that I left a letter out if BETA in the threads title write it as "Bet" instead of BETA, could you fix it for me please, thank you in advance.

Originally posted by lawest9
Request to you moderator.....I have only just now noticed that I left a letter out if BETA in the threads title write it as "Bet" instead of BETA, could you fix it for me please, thank you in advance.

You are welcome 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's like arguing WBH never destroyed a world, because there were chunks of rubble around....

It's actually pretty simple, what's more impressive, flattening the buildings of a city to the ground but still leaving visible collapsed remnants, or vaporizing the whole thing and even leaving a deep crater? Fragmentation/shattering, pulverization, vaporization and atomiation are all very distinct escalating forms of destruction.

But they're all destruction. Thanks.

The conversation tells the reader its meant to be a lot of Orions power, and says nothing of it being one piece at a time.

"I won't let you go against that thing Orion. Last time you tried the shockwaves blew apart a star system. That was you wasn't it? I saw what was left of those planets"

"Kid, you couldn't stop me if you brought your dad to help."

Still tough to quantify I suppose, though.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But they're all destruction. Thanks.

Of very different levels of power.

Originally posted by Juntai
The conversation tells the reader its meant to be a lot of Orions power, and says nothing of it being one piece at a time.

"I won't let you go against that thing Orion. Last time you tried the shockwaves blew apart a star system. That was you wasn't it? I saw what was left of those planets"

"Kid, you couldn't stop me if you brought your dad to help."

Still tough to quantify I suppose, though.

It also doesn't imply that they damaged the whole thing with a single clash as they could just as likely have ended up damaging large sections of it throughout their fight. That would still have the ultimate effect of "blowing it away". Regardless, the fact that such noticeable portions of the planets still remain given that they talk of what's left of the planets and call it rubble at least means they used force much less than the power necessary to pulverize or vaporize or atomize even several of the planets at once. You DC dancers gotta start using context.

Originally posted by Juntai
The conversation tells the reader its meant to be a lot of Orions power, and says nothing of it being one piece at a time.

"I won't let you go against that thing Orion. Last time you tried the shockwaves blew apart a star system. That was you wasn't it? I saw what was left of those planets"

"Kid, you couldn't stop me if you brought your dad to help."

Still tough to quantify I suppose, though.

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And it is very blatant, so the meltdown from the usual group is even more hilarious. Kyle literally doesn't want Orion to attack the Golem again for the fear of blowing up the solar system just as a side-effect due to shockwaves, as he had already done so, on panel, last time.

It tells you how much somebody like Orion's output is above chars WBH -- orders and orders of magnitude more, which is just ridiculous.

Lol@ rubble. The star was gone and Trollberto is talking about Some rubble from a planet on the edge of the solar system. Hilarious. 😂

Originally posted by Diesldude
Lol@ rubble. The star was gone and Trollberto is talking about Some rubble from a planet on the edge of the solar system. Hilarious. 😂

It's exactly as I said. how is it known the star was gone? There's still a large red light there, but you all seem to presume that was the energy of.. can't recall, either the Golem or Orion. And that rubble still basically looks like an asteroid belt; there's enough to suggest whichever planets were only fragmented. Plus, who's to say that's the only rubble within the system?

😂 I KNOW it hurts your soul that i have to constantly lay out the real context whenever a dc dancer try to sell a shitburger