^ Yeah from Superman Returns (not a single fight) to MOS they just went form one extreme to another. I'm just pointing out SR outright flopped and studios don't always get why so take the wrong lessons.
Still MOS could have lead to a decent DCEU.
What would have made BvS better was if Batman actually had a reason to attempt to murder Superman. Things definitely did start to go wrong with BvS and with a couple of exceptions only got worse from there.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Yeah from Superman Returns (not a single fight) to MOS they just went form one extreme to another. I'm just pointing out SR outright flopped and studios don't always get why so take the wrong lessons.Still MOS could have lead to a decent DCEU.
What would have made BvS better was if Batman actually had a reason to attempt to murder Superman. Things definitely did start to go wrong with BvS and with a couple of exceptions only got worse from there.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
I like MOS tbh. Sure it was a different take but they already tried the traditional type thing with Superman Returns which flopped.MOS was divisive, but it's not where it all went wrong Imo.
For what it's worth I thought Henry Cavill got the character. And I think the intention was always for him to evolve into a more comic accurate depiction.
Same, MOS has aged better than most of the DCEU. We got a flawed Superman who isn't a boy scout 100% of the time, which I kinda don't mind as he was raised by flawed human parents.
TBF, Reeve Superman wasn't either and he's seen cinematically as the epitome of what Kal should be.
In the DCEU, the movies that still seem decent just happened to have far better relationships between characters which is why MoS fares better in hindsight than BvS or JL. Because while all the characters in MoS were a bunch of miserable bastards, at least they actually had meaningful connections to one another. That's also why Wonder Woman was excellent. Almost all the rest of the movies the conversations between characters are either exposition dumps or functional to the plot.
Someone also accurately described a lot of Snyder's story telling as "this happens and then that happens and then this happens and then this happens and then that happens and then the end" where as stories should go "this happens and because of that the next thing happens and because of that these other 2 things happen..." There's no actual story. It's just a load of random events before a finale. And even when he does try to link events you end up with the retarded "WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?" type shit.
The Daily Beast accidentally posted a review before the embargo has ended. They deleted it, but you can find it here:
https://dnyuz.com/2025/07/03/terrible-new-superman-is-final-nail-in-superhero-cinemas-coffin/
It ain't looking good.
Originally posted by Robtard
Same, MOS has aged better than most of the DCEU. We got a flawed Superman who isn't a boy scout 100% of the time, which I kinda don't mind as he was raised by flawed human parents.TBF, Reeve Superman wasn't either and he's seen cinematically as the epitome of what Kal should be.
In hindsight I dislike Reeve superman for two reasons:
Clark Kent is basically his wimpy dork cosplay, whereas I prefer to think that Clark is actually the real Kal while Superman is the cosplay. it just makes more sense that Kal would feel awkward, vulnerable, and even anxious about dealing with humans and having relationships with them.
Secondly, Reeve superman is a sadist, particular in part 2. Zod was rendered powerless, and superman slowly crushes every bone in his hand. His sadism not yet satisfied, he has to go beat up that bully truck driver at the truck stop diner. That is so not superman.
Originally posted by Psychotron
The Daily Beast accidentally posted a review before the embargo has ended. They deleted it, but you can find it here:
https://dnyuz.com/2025/07/03/terrible-new-superman-is-final-nail-in-superhero-cinemas-coffin/It ain't looking good.
I don't know...
Superman’s hero is no brooding Snyder-ian Christ figure; rather, he’s a sweet and sincere do-gooder who uses the word “dude,” takes time out of fighting behemoths to save squirrels from harm, and believes that viewing everyone as beautiful is “punk rock.”
...sounds good to me. Sounds pretty Gunnian.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
In hindsight I dislike Reeve superman for two reasons:Clark Kent is basically his wimpy dork cosplay, whereas I prefer to think that Clark is actually the real Kal while Superman is the cosplay. it just makes more sense that Kal would feel awkward, vulnerable, and even anxious about dealing with humans and having relationships with them.
Secondly, Reeve superman is a sadist, particular in part 2. Zod was rendered powerless, and superman slowly crushes every bone in his hand. His sadism not yet satisfied, he has to go beat up that bully truck driver at the truck stop diner. That is so not superman.
But yeah, getting back at the truck driver only when he got his powers back; showed what a man he was there at the end. 🙄
https://www.imdb.com/es/news/ni65365811/?ref_=nm_nwr_1
"Another Embargo Broken As Variety Critic Says Amazon's 67% HEADS OF STATE Is Better Than SUPERMAN"
"Variety's Chief Film Critic Peter Debruge recently reviewed Amazon's Heads of State starring John Cena and Idris Elba, and appeared to accidentally break his Superman review embargo by saying the streaming action flick—which has a 67% Rotten Tomatoes score—is "a lot more entertaining" than the DC Studios reboot.
"You could be forgiven for writing off 'Heads of State,'" the review reads. "But then, you would miss a movie that’s no sillier than 'Superman' and a lot more entertaining."