Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ Depends on word of mouth but not had a great international opening. So likely wont gross as much as MOS did.I reckon it needs to gross like $550m - $600m to break even which would also be a reasonable guess for where it lands at this point.
If your talking about making profit in cinemas then it's going to need a box office of $770M. Cinemas usually get at least 45% of the box office take so the $225M budget (after tax credits) combined with $200M marketing means around $770m is break even.
The fact is MoS only made about $45m profit after digital rental revenue, and merchandise. They spend over $300m on marketing on top of the $225m budget.
I was surprised to learn recently that Black Adam returned $150m from digital media rentals actually taking it from a $75m loss to a $52m profit without merchandising.
I don't think Superman is going to make a profit in cinemas. Movies just don't have the legs these days to do 13-15 weeks in cinemas. After about 6 weeks anyone who hasn't seen it is waiting for it to hit digital media. You can expect usually between a 30- 40% drop increasing each week. So based on that
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A good performance would be around $620m based on opening with a loss of $150m
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Hmm I wonder if audiences will show up to 2 seperate Batman franchises running simultaneously.Although I guess both Roger Moore and Sean Connery were alternating as James Bond at one point IIRC.
James Gunn has called DC Studios having two Batman franchises the biggest problem for him right now. I think he wishes Pattinson's Batman would go away; it's just another problem Warner Bros. created for themselves before Gunn's arrival.
Originally posted by roughrider
James Gunn has called DC Studios having two Batman franchises the biggest problem for him right now. I think he wishes Pattinson's Batman would go away; it's just another problem Warner Bros. created for themselves before Gunn's arrival.
Yeah that does seem problematic.
Not that audiences wouldn't understand (they will), but hard to promote both at the same time I would think.
Although WB was planning something like this back in the 2000's, with a Justice League movie that would be separate to the solo movies.
But even that wouldn't have had 2 Batman solo movies competing with each other.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
They just need to time it right
Might have just missed their window with Matt Reeves taking 4 years between Batman films, could have fit another one in and still had a Batman movie every 2 years 😛
I would be tempted to say just merge them together. But I think what makes the Reeves one work is being a stand alone thing.
Originally posted by Senor Cage
Doing great domestically. It'll probably finish around 600
Like 350 domestic and 250 international. Thats plausible.
Where do you think that international audience disappeared to since MOS? Or was that just Christopher Nolans name plastered over it (IIRC).
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Joe summed up the situation well as one who pays attention to pretty much everything, and while Superman's international sale underperformance was unfortunately was to be expected with country relationships being at an all time low (thanks Tariffman), was still glad to see that the film's doing pretty well domestically. WB just needs to be more conservative with box office expectations for films for the time being. Plus rebooted universes always struggle a little at first until they find their footing with audiences.
I already forgot that Fox News called the Superman film woke over its themes of immigration until Joe brought it back up for a moment, but lol. It's only the anti-woke or whatever who are really ripping on it in general, which I guess goes hand-in-hand with the Snyder audience who were wanting it to fail anyway, though again, they don't move the needle like they think they do.
Also have to remember that this film doesn't really have much in the way of star power; mostly unknowns/new actors, so it's doing well considering.
^ Yeah this was never intended to make huge profit. It was their attempt at an X-Men First Class or a Batman Begins. Except for a whole new cinematic universe. I.e they probably figured they may have to take a financial hit but it’s more important to put out a really good/well received film.
Btw The Numbers have updated international figures (usually happens on a Wednesday), and it appears to be a 50/50 split now. Already past $300mill WW compared to the $220mill OW.
Well this was Supermid.
If it weren't for the cast and chemistry it would've been pretty crap. The story was completely underwhelming and there was never any feeling of peril even in the midst of battles and destruction.
If the Snyder movies had the characterisation this had it would've been far superior to this.
Gunn really needs to get some writers or someone to shore him up.
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Great wom so far.
Also, took this snippet from another board:
DCU Batman is not Robert Pattinson and 'The Batmanverse' is separate from the DCU.
The Superman sequel is perhaps not a direct sequel, but it's also not World's Finest.
Supergirl is done and ready to go. Jason Mamoa is 'awesone' as Lobo.
Clayface is about to go into production. Is a 'total horror movie'.
Wonder Woman script coming along. Is distinct from the previous iteration.
Won't see Flash or Aquaman in the next few years.
The Authority is still on his radar but has been 'tough to crack'.
The writer who was doing The Authority has moved on to 'another film in the DCU' that hasn't been discussed.
James Mangold has not delivered a Swamp Thing script yet.
Gunn has hopes that Sgt. Rock will come back around but Luca will not be involved.
Gunn is trying to get Matt Reeves to do a DCU movie.
^ You see Golgo now this is a sign of great word of mouth via box office.
Also re:Batman I believe Gunn has said that the DCU Batman films and Reeves Batman films will release in different calender years. So thats the timing thing you mentioned.
Makes sense not to see Flash or Aquaman for a few years.
And yeah Mamoa defo wayyy more suited to play Lobo than Aquaman.
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
q3i5mZmVO4I?si=dZ0iaUNKCyL0I2eLJoe summed up the situation well as one who pays attention to pretty much everything, and while Superman's international sale underperformance was unfortunately was to be expected with country relationships being at an all time low (thanks Tariffman), was still glad to see that the film's doing pretty well domestically. WB just needs to be more conservative with box office expectations for films for the time being. Plus rebooted universes always struggle a little at first until they find their footing with audiences.
I already forgot that Fox News called the Superman film woke over its themes of immigration until Joe brought it back up for a moment, but lol. It's only the anti-woke or whatever who are really ripping on it in general, which I guess goes hand-in-hand with the Snyder audience who were wanting it to fail anyway, though again, they don't move the needle like they think they do.
Also have to remember that this film doesn't really have much in the way of star power; mostly unknowns/new actors, so it's doing well considering.
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#Superman holding great on 2nd wknd with $16.6M FRI pushing cume to $194.4M surpassing ENTIRE gross of Thunderbolts in only 8 days! Breaks $200M today surpassing Captain America BNW becoming #1 comic book movie of 2025 after just 9 days. 2nd wknd #boxoffice may reach about $58M for nice 54% drop and $236M in 10 days!
Looking at a great hold for the second weekend. Won't make a billion but it's doing well domesrtically.
Yeah much more important this has great word of mouth going than it making a billion but everyone walked out being like "that was crap"
But tbf it needs half decent box office like at least $500mill (which it will easily get), just so once it's out of theatres, there were enough people who saw it to keep spreading the word.