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No it isn't

Originally posted by Klaw
Did I give the Government permission to take money from me in the form of taxes?

Sort of, yeah. That was the agreement you made with them when they allowed you to live and work here.

Being born some place isnt a one way contract where you can do as you wish without following accepted societal rules and norms.

Originally posted by Robtard
Did you go to public schools? Do you use the roads to get to work, buy groceries, did the truck that delivered you your real doll use those roads? Ever had to call the police or fire department?

It's illegal or very hard to choose not to go to public schools, despite this more and more are home schooling.

The state has a monopoly on roads.

The police suck, 60 percent of murders go unsolved.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Sort of, yeah. That was the agreement you made with them when they allowed you to live and work here.

Being born some place isnt a one way contract where you can do as you wish without following accepted societal rules and norms.

Bashar teg and newjak told me that saying if you don't like the rules then leave is a cheap silly argument.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Bashar teg and newjak told me that saying if you don't like the rules then leave is a cheap silly argument.

I wouldnt say that. If you dont like the rules, then vote for change.

But fact is you are in a societal contract. So no, it isnt theft.

Theft would be something like benefit fraud.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I wouldnt say that. If you dont like the rules, then vote for change.

But fact is you are in a societal contract. So no, it isnt theft.

Theft would be something like benefit fraud.

I didn't sign a social contract.
I have rights implicitly.
Therefore an imposition on me is definitionally an unwanted burden on me.

Why do you think voting is the only way to change something ?

Societal contract 😆

A contract no one's seen and no one's signed.

Originally posted by Klaw
Societal contract 😆

A contract no one's seen and no one's signed.

He's beckoning back to rousseau.

Originally posted by Klaw
Societal contract 😆

A contract no one's seen and no one's signed.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yet one you take advantage of all the same.

I'm not disagreeing I benefit from taxes.

The point I, and I think ilc is making, is that taxation is theft.

you're free to break the law, just as the state is then free to charge and convict you

Originally posted by ilikecomics
It's illegal or very hard to choose not to go to public schools, despite this more and more are home schooling.

The state has a monopoly on roads.

The police suck, 60 percent of murders go unsolved.

Not really.

Okay? Would you prefer people directly owned portions of what are now public roads/highways and were allowed to charge you per meter of use?

Actually: "A new FBI report found that roughly 40 percent of the nation's slayings went unsolved last year."

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I didn't sign a social contract.
I have rights implicitly.
Therefore an imposition on me is definitionally an unwanted burden on me.

Why do you think voting is the only way to change something ?

Originally posted by Klaw
Societal contract 😆

A contract no one's seen and no one's signed.

So what makes you both think you have a right to live and work where you do ?

Originally posted by Newjak
Yet one you take advantage of all the same.

Do you think if I rob an old lady, then give her a pearl necklace I bought from the money I stole that we're square ?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
So what makes you both think you have a right to live and work where you do ?

Everyone has a right to live. I don't have a right to work anywhere. I get hired based on my skill set.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not really.

Okay? Would you prefer people directly owned portions of what are now public roads/highways and were allowed to charge you per meter of use?

Actually: "A new FBI report found that roughly 40 percent of the nation's slayings went unsolved last year."

Fair.

Yes, absolutely. Per meter of use isn't the only way to charge.

Whoops mixed up the solved vs. unsolved.
I'm not a numbers guy and I appreciate the correction.

Strange view of tax

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
you're free to break the law, just as the state is then free to charge and convict you

So you think if a dictator creates an unjust law, the incarcerates people for breaking it, that that is legitimate ?

Seems like you like might is right. I don't myself.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Strange view of tax

It's the libertarian view. I could send you sources, but I notice no one reads them anyways.
So I'm trying to see where we agree and where we don't.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
Everyone has a right to live. I don't have a right to work anywhere. I get hired based on my skill set.

Okay what gives you the right to live where you are over say an Immigrant (who does sign a contract).

Being born somewhere only means your contract is unspoken. Because thats what the government has ordained.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
I could send you sources, but I notice no one reads them anyways.

Because you send like 100pages and some of them seem like fictional examples. Thats not how you debate.