Originally posted by ilikecomics
Fair.Yes, absolutely. Per meter of use isn't the only way to charge.
Whoops mixed up the solved vs. unsolved.
I'm not a numbers guy and I appreciate the correction.
Cool.
Then we'd end up with people like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg owning 99% of the roads and highways and you'd end up paying more for road use than you do in taxes right now.
No worries, happens.
Originally posted by ilikecomics
So you think if a dictator creates an unjust law, the incarcerates people for breaking it, that that is legitimate ?Seems like you like might is right. I don't myself.
always remember to wear protective gear when burning strawmen. i made no moral or ethical implications.
also, sometimes the breaking of certain laws lead to great change, like seen many times over the civil rights movement. but if you refuse to pay taxes then you refuse to be a part of society. if you refuse to pay your share into a society and infrastructure which A- you comfortably live and benefit off of and B- requires the contribution of all it's earning citizens to function, then that would make you a parasite. i don't feel sorry for parasitic hucksters who have their clownshows shut down by the law
solution: make a "tax free" state. no socialist institutions like public schools, police, fire dept, no courts of law, no electricity, no plumbing, no traffic lights, literally nothing funded by the state will be available to you. live there and blindly trust whomever is presumably performing these services.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
always remember to wear protective gear when burning strawmen. i made no moral or ethical implications.also, sometimes the breaking of certain laws lead to great change, like seen many times over the civil rights movement. but if you refuse to pay taxes then you refuse to be a part of society. if you refuse to pay your share into a society and infrastructure which A- you comfortably live and benefit off of and B- requires the contribution of all it's earning citizens to function, then that would make you a parasite. i don't feel sorry for parasitic hucksters who have their clownshows shut down by the law
solution: make a "tax free" state. no socialist institutions like public schools, police, fire dept, no courts of law, no electricity, no plumbing, no traffic lights, literally nothing funded by the state will be available to you. live there and blindly trust whomever is presumably performing these services.
Sounds like they want to pay no taxes, while still taking in all the benefits a functioning society has to offer. There used to be a poster here that did exactly that.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay what gives you the right to live where you are over say an Immigrant (who does sign a contract).Being born somewhere only means your contract is unspoken. Because thats what the government has ordained.
Because you send like 100pages and some of them seem like fictional examples. Thats not how you debate.
I don't think there should be countries, that's something the state defines.
No, everyone has natural rights. An example of one is the right to life. You have a right to life even if a state says you don't. To say otherwise is a might is right argument, which I don't believe in.
Originally posted by ilikecomics
I don't think there should be countries, that's something the state defines.No, everyone has natural rights. An example of one is the right to life. You have a right to life even if a state says you don't. To say otherwise is a might is right argument, which I don't believe in.
Okay you believe in a radically different system which is of course your prerogative.
As long as you know its just hypothetical.
Originally posted by ilikecomics
The mail service loses billions every year.
Which is exactly why it cant be privatised.
Originally posted by Robtard
Cool.Then we'd end up with people like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg owning 99% of the roads and highways and you'd end up paying more for road use than you do in taxes right now.
No worries, happens.
Why would they want to own the roads ?
If musk makes hyper loop and it's gets people to places safer and faster, then people should want to pay for that.
If they don't no biggie, and it still leaves room for competition to come up with something better.
Privitization always makes things cheaper. Show me an example of a government doing something for cheaper than a private company could.
Originally posted by Bashar Teg
always remember to wear protective gear when burning strawmen. i made no moral or ethical implications.also, sometimes the breaking of certain laws lead to great change, like seen many times over the civil rights movement. but if you refuse to pay taxes then you refuse to be a part of society. if you refuse to pay your share into a society and infrastructure which A- you comfortably live and benefit off of and B- requires the contribution of all it's earning citizens to function, then that would make you a parasite. i don't feel sorry for parasitic hucksters who have their clownshows shut down by the law
solution: make a "tax free" state. no socialist institutions like public schools, police, fire dept, no courts of law, no electricity, no plumbing, no traffic lights, literally nothing funded by the state will be available to you. live there and blindly trust whomever is presumably performing these services.
There would still be the services you listed. They would just be provided cheaper and safer.
I don't like police, I like private security. You should be able to use the transitive property to guess how the other public services could be replaced with private entities. If not I could provide examples.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Okay you believe in a radically different system which is of course your prerogative.As long as you know its just hypothetical.
Which is exactly why it cant be privatised.
It's only hypothetical because people think they profit from the state so they argue for it. Kind of like every statist in this thread.
Why couldn't it be privitized ?
Originally posted by ilikecomics
Why would they want to own the roads ?If musk makes hyper loop and it's gets people to places safer and faster, then people should want to pay for that.
If they don't no biggie, and it still leaves room for competition to come up with something better.Privitization always makes things cheaper. Show me an example of a government doing something for cheaper than a private company could.
Because lots and lots of $$$
Wut?
Not always. eg Our Social Security is a mess, but it'd be worse for the end user if we let someone like Jeff Bezos handle it for personal profit.
edit: Another exmaple would be our prisons. Prisons in the private sector, "prisons-for-profit", do worse.
Originally posted by ilikecomics
It's only hypothetical because people think they profit from the state so they argue for it. Kind of like every statist in this thread.Why couldn't it be privitized ?
Its theoretical because doesnt exist. And hasnt in any history I know of.
Because who would buy a loss making business ? And if they do take a shot and it Keeps making losses, they go out of business, and we have no mail service.
Originally posted by Robtard
Because lots and lots of $$$Wut?
Not always. eg Our Social Security is a mess, but it'd be worse for the end user if we let someone like Jeff Bezos handle it for personal profit.
Do you think the state should have a monopoly on all that money when they use it for things like mass incarceration, war, kill old people ?
People wouldn't need social security if half their money wasn't stolen by the state.
https://mises.org/library/how-eliminate-social-security-and-medicare
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Its theoretical because doesnt exist. And hasnt in any history I know of.Because who would buy a loss making business ? And if they do take a shot and it Keeps making losses, they go out of business, and we have no mail service.
Would you argue an economy not based on slavery is impossible or undesirable during the time where every economy used slavery ?
For me morality is timeless and spaceless aka deontological. Therefore it doesn't need a state to legitimize it.
Murder is wrong regardless of if there's a law prohibiting it or not.
The state wouldn't just hand over the usps. The usps would be dissolved which create what's called a market opportunity.
For example if the state is supposed to provide security e.g. cops, but they suck and don't prevent violent crime and sit around collecting tickets.
The answer is to start a security business, why would my private security business take on the debts of the police force, that makes no sense to me.
Could you explain it differently ?