Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilno shit Sherlock, we said it was a durability feat too. Lmao. The invulnerability of his hand is smothering the gravitational pull of the black hole. This saved his team and the entire solar system.
What? weight has nothing to do with this.Black holes don't push. Which is exactly my point. And yet you're trying to tell me that keeping one from expanding is a strength feat. When, according to physics, he is literally already inside of it.
If his hands are somehow negating the gravity of the black hole (smothering it, per the author), then the argument becomes whether or not it's something one feels can be done with strength alone.
You can feel pain trying to resist not getting ripped to shreds inside a gravity well like that of a black hole in your hands but that's not strength.
Originally posted by JBLfrom the inside of his hands where the blackhole was.
Superman said he thought it would rip his hands off. Gravity pulls not expand. The words rip off should tell everyone but Superman fans what's really going on.
Lol while there was a magnetic field, no impact to everyone around the blackhole and device containing it. If the magnetic field was still intact then Superman would not have felt any gravitational force or have his hands feel like it was being ripped apart.
Originally posted by Astner
The schwarzschild radius is still the event horizon (where light can't escape) is still the boundary of a charged black hole, because light isn't charged or magnetic.What you're describing with r± is the point of no return for free electrons or protons (depending on the charge of the black hole).
See for example the equation (1.5) in:
R. Boyer, R. Lindquist: "Maximal Analytic Extension of the Kerr Metric", J. Math. Phys. 8, 265 (1967); doi: 10.1063/1.1705193 .
These r± are the r-coordinates at which the g_rr component of the Reissner–Nordström metric tensor diverges; for the metric/line element, see for example the equation (33.2) in:
C.W. Misner, K.S. Thorne, J.A. Wheeler: Gravitation, Freeman & co, (1970), p. 877.
(The equation (33.2) describes the Kerr-Newman geometry but you can recover Reissner-Nordström by setting a = 0.)
Ok one simple question.
Goes for anyone including astner.
With the magnetic field around the blackhole there was no impact to the surroundings.
Superman picks it up and then he feels the blackholes gravitational pull and has his hands feel like they were ripping apart. Why is that if the magnetic field was still intact?
Remember with the magnetic field intact atom was right next to the singularity without feeling any effects. But Superman grabs it and has his hands almost ripped apart? Why?.
Originally posted by Magnon
No, the r± in that equation are the locations of the two horizons: r+ is the outer (event) horizon and r- is the inner (Cauchy) horizon.See for example the equation (1.5) in:
R. Boyer, R. Lindquist: "Maximal Analytic Extension of the Kerr Metric", J. Math. Phys. 8, 265 (1967); doi: 10.1063/1.1705193 .These r± are the r-coordinates at which the g_rr component of the Reissner–Nordström metric tensor diverges; for the metric/line element, see for example the equation (33.2) in:
C.W. Misner, K.S. Thorne, J.A. Wheeler: Gravitation, Freeman & co, (1970), p. 877.
(The equation (33.2) describes the Kerr-Newman geometry but you can recover Reissner-Nordström by setting a = 0.)
check out this thread too
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=658148&pagenumber=1085#post17412815
Originally posted by Magnon
No, the r± in that equation are the locations of the two horizons: r+ is the outer (event) horizon and r- is the inner (Cauchy) horizon.See for example the equation (1.5) in:
R. Boyer, R. Lindquist: "Maximal Analytic Extension of the Kerr Metric", J. Math. Phys. 8, 265 (1967); doi: 10.1063/1.1705193 .These r± are the r-coordinates at which the g_rr component of the Reissner–Nordström metric tensor diverges; for the metric/line element, see for example the equation (33.2) in:
C.W. Misner, K.S. Thorne, J.A. Wheeler: Gravitation, Freeman & co, (1970), p. 877.
(The equation (33.2) describes the Kerr-Newman geometry but you can recover Reissner-Nordström by setting a = 0.)
But the Schwarzchild radius is still acting as the point-of-no-return for light, which, according to you wouldn't be part of the black hole's "size," which seems rather arbitrary. And it's completely contradicted when you consider the ergosphere which is completely independent of charge and the definition of the event horizon you're using.
Originally posted by Diesldude
Superman picks it up and then he feels the blackholes gravitational pull and has his hands feel like they were ripping apart. Why is that if the magnetic field was still intact?
Further suppose that the damaged containment device that induces the magnetic fields is constructed with contingencies (like most containment devices for dangerous substances) that allows it to work at decreased capacity when damaged.
If this is the case then there's an argument to be made that only an arbitrary fraction of the gravitational force-carriers managed to escape and actually reach Superman's hand.
Originally posted by AstnerSuppose, in contradiction to contemporary physics, magnetic fields may impede gravitational fields.
Further suppose that the damaged containment device that induces the magnetic fields is constructed with contingencies (like most containment devices for dangerous substances) that allows it to work at decreased capacity when damaged.
If this is the case then there's an argument to be made that only an arbitrary fraction of the gravitational force-carriers managed to escape and actually reach Superman's hand.
That’s how comics work, the writers don’t have PhD in Astro physics. If they say a small microscopic device can generate a magnetic field to counter the gravitational pull of a blackhole we have to accept it.
Sure they can have contingencies in place but mnemon was trying to get rid of the magnetic field to cause solar system wide destructions If he’s actively trying to get rid of the magnetic field he would remove these contingencies. Furthermore if there were such contingencies the writer would have mentioned them.
Fact is mnemon has full control of the device and the magnetic field. He was actively trying to remove the magnetic field to release the black hole. He wouldn’t stop half way just because Superman took a hold of it. Stopping there would be accepting defeats. He didn’t look like an entity that would accept defeat.
Originally posted by AstnerBut didnt Superman say he grasped it before the black hole could be fully released? And later when Superman threw it into wormhole we can see it grow to full size and blow up the wormhole
Suppose, in contradiction to contemporary physics, magnetic fields may impede gravitational fields.Further suppose that the damaged containment device that induces the magnetic fields is constructed with contingencies (like most containment devices for dangerous substances) that allows it to work at decreased capacity when damaged.
If this is the case then there's an argument to be made that only an arbitrary fraction of the gravitational force-carriers managed to escape and actually reach Superman's hand.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilpoke a hole in a water balloon and try to hold the water in. 😂 you’re good for a laugh every singe day.
I MEAN if you poke a hole in a balloon full of water and then put your finger over the hole the force of the water pouring out is contained. that doesn’t mean the entire ballon exploded.
Originally posted by Diesldude
That’s how comics work, the writers don’t have PhD in Astro physics. If they say a small microscopic device can generate a magnetic field to counter the gravitational pull of a blackhole we have to accept it.Sure they can have contingencies in place but mnemon was trying to get rid of the magnetic field to cause solar system wide destructions If he’s actively trying to get rid of the magnetic field he would remove these contingencies. Furthermore if there were such contingencies the writer would have mentioned them.
Fact is mnemon has full control of the device and the magnetic field. He was actively trying to remove the magnetic field to release the black hole. He wouldn’t stop half way just because Superman took a hold of it. Stopping there would be accepting defeats. He didn’t look like an entity that would accept defeat.
All of this is nice and all and yet it's still not a strength feat, and it NEVER will be. the mass of the black hole is almost negated by its own gravity, which prevents it from weighing anything because only another black hole could pull on that mass hard enough to generate gravity for it.
given what kind of black hole the author explicitly stated it was, said black hole should barely weigh anything at all (and shouldn't have any gravitational pull), so yeah no there's no way to accurately gauge the feat. Go sell your shit burgers somewhere else, you're never convincing this feat is a "Strength" feat, let alone Superman is more than a mere mid herald level being in ANY lifetime.
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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvilInteresting, I thought its Hulk who was asked to provide a quantifiable strength feat. And the only feat you provided, Its also unquantifiable
All of this is nice and all and yet it's still not a strength feat, and it NEVER will be. the mass of the black hole is almost negated by its own gravity, which prevents it from weighing anything because only another black hole could pull on that mass hard enough to generate gravity for it.
given what kind of black hole the author explicitly stated it was, said black hole should barely weigh anything at all (and shouldn't have any gravitational pull), so yeah no there's no way to accurately gauge the feat. Go sell your shit burgers somewhere else, you're never convincing this feat is a "Strength" feat, let alone Superman is more than a mere mid herald level being in ANY lifetime.
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Originally posted by Delta1938
Failberto demanded a quantifiable feat to go up against Hulk, and he used Exitar. Except his argument for why it's impressive is Exitar being a cosmic being that can increase his strength. So unquantifiable. When he realized it's unquantifiable he said to someone else just because a feat is unquantifiable doesn't mean it can't be used. But never actually acknowledged that he used this while demanding quantifiable feats.He also said about the black hole that it's not a striking feat.....even though Exitar would be a lifting feat. So he's desperately trying to argue the black hole feat isn't impressive.
In addition to the blatant hypocrisy and general failing, if I remember the scene correctly, it was Rogue using Hulk's power and OTHERS. I tried looking for the scans in here, by Failberto's response that they already were posted I assumed it was before him and Disel started this ride we've been on, but I didn't find them. Unless they were posted after that, either they were posted elsewhere(which would be his job to link) or he just lied. I wanna take a look because I want to be sure I'm remembering right it was Rogue with a lot more than just Hulk.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Rogue has every Avenger and X-Men they could find
Originally posted by Delta1938
So unquantifiable AND not a Hulk feat? I guess posting Clark lifting a coffee cup means he wins this by disqualification.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
All of this is nice and all and yet it's still not a strength feat, and it NEVER will be. the mass of the black hole is almost negated by its own gravity, which prevents it from weighing anything because only another black hole could pull on that mass hard enough to generate gravity for it.
given what kind of black hole the author explicitly stated it was, said black hole should barely weigh anything at all (and shouldn't have any gravitational pull), so yeah no there's no way to accurately gauge the feat. Go sell your shit burgers somewhere else, you're never convincing this feat is a "Strength" feat, let alone Superman is more than a mere mid herald level being in ANY lifetime.
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And your comment about Black hole being weightless? 😂 😂 thanks I needed another laugh.