Gun control in the US

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Originally posted by jaden_2.0
It might come as a surprise to many people but gun control doesn't have to involve banning anything.

We have had gun restriction/control laws on our books being enforced by our feds since 1968. How is that working out? My guess is about as good as immigration laws have.

Either you take them away or people have them.

Originally posted by Newjak
Just because you doubt doesn't make it true.

That's just an opinion. We've seen other countries pull it off.

Other countries restrict ownership rights. Do some homework. I know someone who owns a gun in one of these countries. I also know the hoops he has to go through to keep it. I also know it isn't a sweeet .556 AR like I have because that is not allowed for non military or police personnel.

Originally posted by cdtm
That being the case, how does rural violance, suburban violance, and city violance stack up against each other?

That has more to do with population density. Cities are more packed than in the boondocks, where your nearest "neighbor" is mile away or more.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Remember when the full-on, hardcore, bunker owning doomsday preppers lasted 6 weeks in lockdown before crying they needed to get out to get their mullets cut?

Thems were good times.

That generated some great memes

Indeed.

The police in the Netherlands and Spain carry guns by law. Norway is a country with lots of guns. There’s no where near as many gun crimes in those countries as there is in the USA.

In the Netherlands, you can smoke cannabis, take mushrooms and have sex with a prostitute in front of a policeman who is carrying an assault rifle… and USA claims to be the land of the free? XD

Originally posted by Blakemore
The police in the Netherlands and Spain carry guns by law. Norway is a country with lots of guns. There’s no where near as many gun crimes in those countries as there is in the USA.

In the Netherlands, you can smoke cannabis, take mushrooms and have sex with a prostitute in front of a policeman who is carrying an assault rifle… and USA claims to be the land of the free? XD

So how diverse is the Netherlands or Spain compared to the US?

Kind of hard to ignore they can't even agree on whats bad behavior or what's not. Two people murder someone with a gun, if its a white guy killing a black guy its news because racism, if a black guy kills a black guy its because they're victims of poverty, and if a black guy kills a white guy it's a peaceful protest.

In the Netherlands, you can smoke cannabis, take mushrooms and have sex with a prostitute in front of a policeman who is carrying an assault rifle… and USA claims to be the land of the free? XD

You could probably do all that in the state of Nevada except have sex in public.🙂

Originally posted by cdtm
So how diverse is the Netherlands or Spain compared to the US?

Kind of hard to ignore they can't even agree on whats bad behavior or what's not. Two people murder someone with a gun, if its a white guy killing a black guy its news because racism, if a black guy kills a black guy its because they're victims of poverty, and if a black guy kills a white guy it's a peaceful protest.

Spain has lots of Arabic and African people, as does the Netherlands…. Diversity has nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Spain has lots of Arabic and African people, as does the Netherlands…. Diversity has nothing to do with it.

Indeed.

The politics than. We don't even trust our own police, how can anybody enforce law and order when there is no respect for law, or an established order?

Around 84% of police vote Republican.

I’ve always wanted to visit Spain, as I have predominantly Spanish blood.

That being said, gun laws in the US are ridiculously lax and need improvements. Anyone can buy a gun at Academy… take that as you will.

Anyone can buy a gun at Academy…

As long as you can meet these requirements:

All firearm purchases require valid U.S. government issued ID and related firearm paperwork. You must pass a criminal background check for all firearm purchases. Age and residency restrictions apply. You must present the credit card used to place the order at the time of pick up in store. You must meet all other requirements as set forth by applicable Federal, state and local statutes, rules and regulations for firearm purchase. Other terms and conditions may apply. Academy Sports + Outdoors reserves the right to refuse the sale of firearms to anyone for any reason. It is your responsibility to ensure that you are in compliance with all applicable laws, rules and regulations for the purchase of firearms.Please note a 10% restocking fee will be charged if your item is not picked up. A fee would not apply if your item is incorrect, damaged, or a failed background check occurs.
Originally posted by Robtard
Around 84% of police vote Republican.

And some majority of military too.

But try living without them. 😅

Originally posted by snowdragon
As long as you can meet these requirements:

Not sure what "Academy" means there, but there are loopholes that allow unlicensed gun sellers to sell someone a gun without ID, a background check or a waiting period. You can hand over a wade of cash and walk away with a gun, or guns and all the ammo you want.

It's not entirely known how many unlicensed gun sellers there as the data there is outdated, but upwards of 20% of gun sales, likely more.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure what "Academy" means there, but there are loopholes that allow unlicensed gun sellers to sell someone a gun without ID, a background check or a waiting period. You can hand over a wade of cash and walk away with a gun, or guns and all the ammo you want.

It's not entirely known how many unlicensed gun sellers there as the data there is outdated, but upwards of 20% of gun sales, likely more.

It's Academy Sports, it's an all in one store type of thing.

I'm aware of the loophole but I'm also aware we literally have an agency ATF, I'm not sure how much action those guys have in regards to alcohol and tobacco nowadays.

Federal law does not require private gun sellers to obtain a background check on any gun purchaser. Many gun opponents refer to this as the gun show loophole.

However, a private gun seller may be required by state law to perform a background check on the purchaser. At least 17 states and Washington, D.C. require some type of background check to be performed on the purchaser, even by private gun sellers.

There we go, pass a federal law to make private sales of firearms illegal to anyone other than a licensed gun dealer......seems to simple.

None of that would solve straw purchasers though. The main source of illegal firearms.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume there are also some number of licensed dealers doing arms trafficking on the side.

Originally posted by snowdragon
It's Academy Sports, it's an all in one store type of thing.

I'm aware of the loophole but I'm also aware we literally have an agency ATF, I'm not sure how much action those guys have in regards to alcohol and tobacco nowadays.

There we go, pass a federal law to make private sales of firearms illegal to anyone other than a licensed gun dealer......seems to simple.

Making a license mandatory for all gun sellers would be a sensible step. But that gets blocked by the GOP on behalf of the NRA.

Should a collector who never uses a gun, and even disables them by removing the firing pin, be licensed?

Originally posted by cdtm
None of that would solve straw purchasers though. The main source of illegal firearms.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume there are also some number of licensed dealers doing arms trafficking on the side.

Yes. For the US government. Like Project Gunrunner.

Originally posted by cdtm
Should a collector who never uses a gun, and even disables them by removing the firing pin, be licensed?

Collector =/= seller

If a collector is also a seller, sure, they should be licensed when it comes to selling.