Originally posted by KlawWell guess what that is not the case here in the U.S. and definitely not Georgia so your comparison to Canada doesn't make sense.
The ID is free, you just have to go and apply for it.
So voter id laws in Georgia overwhelmingly effect poor urban minorities that have a pay restriction to get ID which make them racist. And Republicans know this which is why there was no part of law detailing how to make getting Voter ID free.
Originally posted by KlawVoter id laws in Georgia overwhelmingly effect poor urban minorities that have a pay restriction to get ID which make them racist. And Republicans know this which is why there was no part of law detailing how to make getting Voter ID free.
So you're in favor of Voter ID so long as the Government provides one free of charge?
I would be more open to the ID requirement if it were free but that isn't the case here so it's a moot point about this topic.
Originally posted by Newjak
Voter id laws in Georgia overwhelmingly effect poor urban minorities that have a pay restriction to get ID which make them racist. And Republicans know this which is why there was no part of law detailing how to make getting Voter ID free.I would be more open to the ID requirement if it were free but that isn't the case here so it's a moot point about this topic.
I support free Government ID that can be used for voting among other things.
Glad we agree. 👆
Originally posted by Artol
If Georgia provided ID to every of its residents in the mail, free of charge I wouldn't have a problem with voter ID. But it seems they don't do that, so it seems mainly designed to lower voter turnout, since in person voting fraud is a negligible problem everywhere in the US.
Originally posted by KlawThis seems like a two faced comment that Strawmans me or ignores what I was saying.
I support free Government ID that can be used for voting among other things.Glad we agree. 👆
I said I would be more open to it if it were free.
The problem is it is not free therefore I don't agree with the current Georgia legislation or similar laws in other states. This part is pretty important to the overall conversation that needs to be happening.
Also I'm not sure how voter ID changes any potential voter fraud outcome so I'm not sure how effective it is or if it's just another layer added on. My guess is you don't the know the answer either.
I do know it makes little difference here in the U.S. other than keeping poor urban people from being able to vote. Which is what most of Georgia's new law is designed to do.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
👆 Everytime Klaw/Eon Blue and or a banned other has made this kind of thread on an obviously racist bill not being racist if people do things which require time and resources they don't have due to poverty etc. It is given an excellent explanation like yours explaining to him and hangers on why their opinion is deficient. Soon after, another thread, very similar will be made and the same facts reexplained yet again. By now this pattern can only be considered trolling tbh.
The State of Georgia offers a free ID Card. An ID Card can be issued at any county registrar's office free of charge.
So what's going to be the excuse now?
So we’re going with minorities are too poor then?
Damn! The insults. To believe that blacks are too poor and too stupid to apply and pay for an ID, since we’ve been using ID since we can remember.
Then again I shouldn’t be surprise. Blacks have been treated like trash by the elites by believing them to be to stupid to do anything for themselves.
Funny you all call this bill racist, yet your stance proves you believe Blacks to be your inferiors.
Guess what white people, Blacks doesn’t you holding our hands like we’re little children.
Originally posted by KlawI like how you neglected to show these parts
So I just saw this.So what's going to be the excuse now?
A photo identity document or approved non-photo identity document that includes full legal name and date of birth.
Documentation showing the voter's date of birth.
Evidence that the applicant is a registered voter.
Documentation showing the applicant's name and residential address.
Almost all of which require some form of payment to attain as well :/
Originally posted by KlawBack on topic. You said these Voter ID laws aren't racists.
But back on to MLBs' decision.If they want to move the All-Star game, that's fine.
But they shouldn't be surprised at people voting with their wallets and boycotting them.
You said Georgia's Voter ID laws aren't racists but the fact they overwhelmingly negatively impact minority voters proved that was a lie.
The new GA voting laws aren't just ID requirements. They're a whole package of changes. The ID laws are probably the least objectionable part. This whole thing is pretty ****ed up.
They removed the Georgia Secretary of State as the chair of the state elections board. The Secretary of State wasn't willing to entertain Trump's baseless claims about election fraud, so they're letting the state legislature elect someone to the position now....instead of the voters. This ensures the Trumpian legislature can elect who they want, instead of letting the people decide.
They can also forcefully replace county level officials with a single superintendent of their choosing that has all their powers.
Absentee voting window was cut to less than half its previous length. It stops third parties from sending out absentee ballot applications, and stops the use of portable polling booths, like the mobile voting buses the GA Repubs supported before they lost the election. It cuts down ballot drop boxes in some counties by literally 80%. Liberals use absentee voting more often than conservatives, so this was a pretty obvious effort to target them.
It's painfully clear the GA Republicans are having a meltdown because their beloved red state went blue last election. They're upset not everyone was on the Trump train like they thought.
Originally posted by Newjak
Back on topic. You said these Voter ID laws aren't racists.You said Georgia's Voter ID laws aren't racists but the fact they overwhelmingly negatively impact minority voters proved that was a lie.
I disagree with your conclusion that they're racist.
POC of color that are poorer than others can get ID just like anyone else.
They're choosing not to.
Originally posted by Newjak
Back on topic. You said these Voter ID laws aren't racists.You said Georgia's Voter ID laws aren't racists but the fact they overwhelmingly negatively impact minority voters proved that was a lie.
Originally posted by StyleTimethis truly is horrific thank you Newjak and ST for explaining it so clearly. 👆
The new GA voting laws aren't just ID requirements. They're a whole package of changes. The ID laws are probably the least objectionable part. This whole thing is pretty ****ed up.They removed the Georgia Secretary of State as the chair of the state elections board. The Secretary of State wasn't willing to entertain Trump's baseless claims about election fraud, so they're letting the state legislature elect someone to the position now....instead of the voters. This ensures the Trumpian legislature can elect who they want, instead of letting the people decide.
They can also forcefully replace county level officials with a single superintendent of their choosing that has all their powers.
Absentee voting window was cut to less than half its previous length. It stops third parties from sending out absentee ballot applications, and stops the use of portable polling booths, like the mobile voting buses the GA Repubs supported before they lost the election. It cuts down ballot drop boxes in some counties by literally 80%. Liberals use absentee voting more often than conservatives, so this was a pretty obvious effort to target them.
It's painfully clear the GA Republicans are having a meltdown because their beloved red state went blue last election. They're upset not everyone was on the Trump train like they thought.
Originally posted by jaden_2.0also true.
But they won't. They'll blow hard for a couple of days and that's it.
Originally posted by StyleTimeThank you cause there are things on here I forgot to add.
The new GA voting laws aren't just ID requirements. They're a whole package of changes. The ID laws are probably the least objectionable part. This whole thing is pretty ****ed up.They removed the Georgia Secretary of State as the chair of the state elections board. The Secretary of State wasn't willing to entertain Trump's baseless claims about election fraud, so they're letting the state legislature elect someone to the position now....instead of the voters. This ensures the Trumpian legislature can elect who they want, instead of letting the people decide.
They can also forcefully replace county level officials with a single superintendent of their choosing that has all their powers.
Absentee voting window was cut to less than half its previous length. It stops third parties from sending out absentee ballot applications, and stops the use of portable polling booths, like the mobile voting buses the GA Repubs supported before they lost the election. It cuts down ballot drop boxes in some counties by literally 80%. Liberals use absentee voting more often than conservatives, so this was a pretty obvious effort to target them.
It's painfully clear the GA Republicans are having a meltdown because their beloved red state went blue last election. They're upset not everyone was on the Trump train like they thought.
This bill is just so blatantly corrupt
Originally posted by KlawBy definition of there being a pay wall in some form to getting proper ID they can not in fact just get it like everyone else.
I disagree with your conclusion that they're racist.POC of color that are poorer than others can get ID just like anyone else.
They're choosing not to.