Originally posted by Diesldude
So obvious you didn’t read the comic.Does it look like DK one here?
What does prime say here? And what does DK respond with?
He’s defeated.
Next we see krypto and more begging from DK.
Then prime punches him and DK is gone and he’s in his own universe and everyone thinks he’s dead. That was prime’s reality manipulation powers.Now explain to me how you interpret the above panel as a win for DK?
So you choose one scene from the middle of the battle and use that to argue that Superboy Prime won when by the end of the battle DK left SBP dead/knocked out (either way incapacitated) whilst DK went about his business unfazed?
Are you ok? 😕
Either way, given Superboy Primes officially verified powerset is the standard suite of Kryptonian abilities just at higher levels, the fact that DK didnt wipe him out of existence is inexplicable given the Dr M power set making that incident Plot Induced Stupidity
Therefore referencing the SBP fight with DK as evidence is forbidden in this forum. Please conduct yourself accordingly 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStormI’m ok and you’re right to use the confused emoji. Because if you think this was the middle of a battle then it’s more proof that your didn’t read the comic. This was when the main battle was finished. Why would prime say he beat his ass? The next scene was him about to finish him off and then krypto came in the way knowing that prime was going to end everything. Prime stops realizes that he was going to make things worse. Then DK makes another offer. Prime refuses and then onshots bfr DK and brings himself back to his universe while everyone else thinks he died.
So you choose one scene from the middle of the battle and use that to argue that Superboy Prime won when by the end of the battle DK left SBP dead/knocked out (either way incapacitated) whilst DK went about his business unfazed?Are you ok? 😕
Read the comic and acknowledge that it says prime had him beat.
Originally posted by GalacticStormonly thing forbidden here should be your common sense lacking arguments. Let’s say DK didn’t use his abilities and it’s piss, it’s not but For arguments sake, I’ll go with what you’re saying, now with prime’s regular powerset he should not have been able to beat DK’s ass. So he was not operating at his regular powerset. I can’t dumb it down any further for you.
Either way, given Superboy Primes officially verified powerset is the standard suite of Kryptonian abilities just at higher levels, the fact that DK didnt wipe him out of existence is inexplicable given the Dr M power set making that incident Plot Induced StupidityTherefore referencing the SBP fight with DK as evidence is forbidden in this forum. Please conduct yourself accordingly 🙂
Originally posted by Diesldude
I’m ok and you’re right to use the confused emoji. Because if you think this was the middle of a battle then it’s more proof that your didn’t read the comic. This was when the main battle was finished. Why would prime say he beat his ass? The next scene was him about to finish him off and then krypto came in the way knowing that prime was going to end everything. Prime stops realizes that he was going to make things worse. Then DK makes another offer. Prime refuses and then onshots bfr DK and brings himself back to his universe while everyone else thinks he died.Read the comic and acknowledge that it says prime had him beat.
Dont be so pedantic (Here i'll help you out https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedantic 🙂 👆 )
The key point is youve chosen one scene from before the battles climax to try and argue victory for a character who by the end of the battle ends up on deaths door.
Again i ask are you ok? 😆
Originally posted by GalacticStorm😂 are you insane? Seriously. That’s the culmination of their main battle in which both DK and prime were attacking each other. After that it was DK begging again, then prime doing the hitting.
Dont be so pedantic(Here i'll help you out https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pedantic) 🙂 :thumb:
The key point is youve chosen one scene from before the battles climax to try and argue victory for a character who by the end of the battle ends up on deaths door.
Again i ask are you ok? 😆
Smh post the entire battle and it’s possible you will understand it better. Maybe reading it once isn’t enough but actually reading, saving and uploading it will force to read it a little slower with comprehension.
Originally posted by Diesldude
only thing forbidden here should be your common sense lacking arguments. Let’s say DK didn’t use his abilities and it’s piss, it’s not but For arguments sake, I’ll go with what you’re saying, now with prime’s regular powerset he should not have been able to beat DK’s ass. So he was not operating at his regular powerset. I can’t dumb it down any further for you.
Exactly that. Thats what PIS means. With their comparative powersets DK shouldve been able to just wipe out Prime in the blink of an eye. The fact that he didnt is inexplicable, therefore its written off by forum rules and inadmissible as evidence for Superboy Primes prowess or Darkest Knights weakness. 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Exactly that. Thats what PIS means. With their comparative powersets DK shouldve been able to just wipe out Prime in the blink of an eye. The fact that he didnt is inexplicable, therefore its written off by forum rules and inadmissible as evidence for Superboy Primes prowess or Darkest Knights weakness. 🙂
Then please explain how prime was able to beat DK’s ass?
Originally posted by Diesldude
😂 are you insane? Seriously. That’s the culmination of their main battle in which both DK and prime were attacking each other. After that it was DK begging again, then prime doing the hitting.Smh post the entire battle and it’s possible you will understand it better. Maybe reading it once isn’t enough but actually reading, saving and uploading it will force to read it a little slower with comprehension.
The end of the battle is the final blow SBP struck. The outcome was energy exploded from Darkest Knight and Superboy Prime lay either dead or unconscious depending on your interpretation.
Darkest Knight was left unfazed. SBP was down for the count. He didnt win the battle. He just messed up DKs plans. 🙁
Originally posted by Diesldude
Then please explain how prime was able to beat DK’s ass?
Plot Induced Stupidity.
That is the answer to your question. He dominated because of PIS. He shouldnt have been able to due to their comparative powers, but for storytelling purposes he fared better than he shouldve and its inexplicable and therefore by definition an example of PIS.
Therefore its written off as evidence by forum rules
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
The end of the battle is the final blow SBP struck. The outcome was energy exploded from Darkest Knight and Superboy Prime lay either dead or unconscious depending on your interpretation.Darkest Knight was left unfazed. SBP was down for the count. He didnt win the battle. He just messed up DKs plans. 🙁
So prime punches DK that was already beaten and loses the fight? Lol
What about pages of prime back in his universe where everyone is a comic character? He’s clearly alive while everyone in comics thinks he’s dead.
He got what he wanted, his universe back, ruined DK’s plans( you agree with this). He got redemption because if he had killed DK he would have still been known as a murderer.
Now should a being with with kryptonian powerset be able to do all this?
Originally posted by GalacticStormyour missing the point here. A being with standard kryptonian level powerset even at a higher degree should not be able to impact a being at DK’s power levels regardless of the amount of pis in the comic. One thing for DK to forget his powers but another thing altogether for a prime’s powerset dude to beat him.
Plot Induced Stupidity.That is the answer to your question. He dominated because of PIS. He shouldnt have been able to due to their comparative powers, but for storytelling purposes he fared better than he shouldve and its inexplicable and therefore by definition an example of PIS.
Therefore its written off as evidence by forum rules
Originally posted by Diesldude
So prime punches DK that was already beaten and loses the fight? LolWhat about pages of prime back in his universe where everyone is a comic character? He’s clearly alive while everyone in comics thinks he’s dead.
He got what he wanted, his universe back, ruined DK’s plans( you agree with this). He got redemption because if he had killed DK he would have still been known as a murderer.
Now should a being with with kryptonian powerset be able to do all this?
How can it be a win for Prime if hes the one that ends up incapacitated?
Again i refer you to my boxing analogy. If a boxer dominates in a 1 round fight but then gets knocked out, the domination is besides the point, he ultimately lost as the other guy was still walking around. 😄
The fact that SBP's motionless body was presented whilst from SBP's perspective he finally made it back to Earth Prime indicates either hes knocked out and dreaming, or he died and its an afterlife type happy ending for him following his redemptive moment.
However as it was never clarified on panel exactly what that scene meant i cant assert that what i believed that scene showed is what happened. Just what i think it showed.
Do you see the difference between us?
Until theres clarification, share interpretations and have fun with it. Dont push your word as canon bro 👆
A kryptonian power set shouldnt be able to do that and Dr Manhattans power set shouldve easiy wiped out a kryptonian. Thats why the incident is an example of PIS.
Originally posted by Diesldude
your missing the point here. A being with standard kryptonian level powerset even at a higher degree should not be able to impact a being at DK’s power levels regardless of the amount of pis in the comic. One thing for DK to forget his powers but another thing altogether for a prime’s powerset dude to beat him.
Im not missing the point. I know what youre saying. But what doesnt seem to be clicking with you is that PIS IS the answer to your question.
There isnt some comic book story reconciliation. When storytellers want to make a point sometimes canon, continuity and precedent go out of the window and they push a story element regardless of whether it makes sense within canon. Snyder wanted to give SBP his redemptive moment and he gave it to him.
Thats why the term Plot Induced Stupidity came about. Its for us as comic book readers and as forum battlers to be objective and intelligent enough to identify instances of PIS and act accordingly.
Instances of PIS arent representative of a characters strengths or weaknesses and thats why they are banned as evidence in forums.
Thats why in forums we can take characters and discuss them at their full demonstrated capacity without the taint or restrictions of the comic book medium where a particular writer might be obligated to appeal to a certain faction of readership, influenced by endorsement or a new tie-in film coming out to suddenly write a character out of character.
Originally posted by Diesldude
your missing the point here. A being with standard kryptonian level powerset even at a higher degree should not be able to impact a being at DK’s power levels regardless of the amount of pis in the comic. One thing for DK to forget his powers but another thing altogether for a prime’s powerset dude to beat him.
Also I think where its not clicking for you is youre looking for some in-comic/canon explanation for what you saw and not understanding that you wont find any as sometimes writers just push a story element regardless of whether it makes sense or not for dramatic effect or because of the external factors i mentioned just now.
Darkest Knight didnt incompetently forget he had these abilities from a canon perspective. The plot just didnt have him use these abilities even though canon shows theyre within his power set hence the term Plot Induced Stupidity.
So in cases where that happens, you dont look for some in canon explanation as there wont be one. It doesnt make sense per canon. You just write it off as PIS and keep it moving, with the understanding that it cant be used in forum battles.