Superboy Prime vs universe 616

Prime rejects him and punches DK.

Altering reality

DC heroes see him from the sky. This is also the event ascended wW saw in the following comic.

And then we have the scene GS sticks to as conclusion of the battle and a victory for DK.

He is using this scene to say prime is dead . But next page has prime reading about it. This means that prime is alive and well after in his universe after the events of this fight.

How does GS explain this? He says that prime is in the afterlife lmao. Let’s look at the next page.

if you read top panel, it’s like he’s answering GS directly lol smh says no it’s not the afterlife, he really is home.

See even the comic is shutting down GS’s arguments. Lol point blank saying no it’s not the afterlife he really is home. GS just got owned by prime himself. 😂

Finally why was this all of prime’s doing and not DK’s?
Well DK would have put him in this universe.

But he’s back in his own universe with lauri and also as Gs agreed redeemed himself.
If DK had won, prime would be in that universe, his plans wouldn’t have been ruined( Gs agrees that DK’s plans were ruined) and prime wouldn’t have been redeemed.

So now I ask you unbiased readers who won this fight?
DK or prime?

Prime’s main goals were to get back home, give the heroes a chance and redeem himself to dcu and also laurie who had previously read about prime’s atrocities and called him a monster. He did all of this but Gs Still thinks DK won. 😂

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
[B]AROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Its ok Krypto. I feel your pain 🙁 [/B]

lmao You're in pain alright. 😂

Sorry about the typos, wrote those posts on the iphone and i hate it's autocorrect. kept changing DK to the and bunch of other words and characters. had to edit my posts multiple times but its 2am and didn't catch all the errors.

was hoping abhi can come to make this more fun

where you at you magnificent basterd

where's stilt

So after all of that work and effort (which i applaud by the way i appreciate a go- getter : ) you are still firmly at square 1.

Why? 😕

Because youre still doing the very same thing.

Youre looking at ambiguous art and scenes (which do not contain any conclusive/explicit explanations of whats going on) youre interpreting it in one way and then pushing that as if that as if it is canon.

Can you show me 1 single caption, or statement from that issue that states these specific things:

1) SBP has reality altering powers
2) That SBP made himself appear to die in reality, but secretly created Earth Prime and hid that fact from cosmic Wonder Woman who in the folow up issue portrayed him as dead

I dont want you posting scans and coupling them with your theories. I want you to show us all where your points are specifically, explicitly and conclusively stated by caption.

As it stands, you have ambiguous/open to interpretation scenes.

Where conclusive verification doesnt exist on panel for any particular scene i've happily stated where im just presenting my opinion/interpretation.

YOU interpret a scene and then try and tell us how your brain strings things together equates to DC canon.

Doesnt work like that. Back to the drawing board 🙂

Because none of your "evidence" is conclusive, you can do a big song and dance, make a big show of it as you have and i can make it all fall apart in a matter of a few sentences 🙂

Show the forum where your points are CONCLUSIVELY STATED

Without that all we have is a SBP who according to canon has a Kryptonian powerset, limiting him to a slugfest, takes on a being who should be able to blink him out of existence but doesn't.

According to forum rules thats PIS.

My stance has never changed. Ive always said that for SBP to do as well as he did then either DK was weakened (which you can interpret but not assert as fact) due to his exertions just before the fight or its PIS.

Ive already shown you in yesterdays posts how those same scenes can be interpreted differently. My interpretation addresses your questions and is therefore a demonstration that your interpretation isnt the only explanation for how things went down.

Yet whilst I say without official verification/conclusive captions my interpretation is just that, you say this is how i see it in my head, this is what makes most sense to me therefore this is whats canon.

I operate on conclusive evidence.

Fan-fiction is not welcome. 😬

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not true at all.

Here is the official reading order for the event:

Here is the reading order for the Death Metal series:

https://www.howtolovecomics.com/2020/06/08/dark-nights-death-metal-reading-order/

That scan you have of him reading a comic book is from Death Metal Secret Origin which came out December 1st.

Here is the full scene from Secret Origin:

https://imgur.com/W9ON9dy

"Whoever did it they just gave us a fighting chance" replied with "Whoever did it is dead"

https://imgur.com/00oc0mH

https://imgur.com/WLngfsj

https://imgur.com/kVLdmfQ

We then see a scene where SBP wakes up in Earth Prime confused:

https://imgur.com/lwRZDLl

He then questions whether this is real or not, comments on how bright the environment is (possible tie in to the traditional portrayal of the after-life) and convinces himself it is:

https://imgur.com/zVJUhb3

Then later on January 5th

Death Metal 7 the final part of the event came out and SBPs body was shown to still be floating through the ether.

https://imgur.com/5ehpH2a

His fate is sealed 🙁

This post from yesterday shows that these ambiguous scenes can be interpreted in more ways than one.

Without official verification you are no position to be telling the forum that how you interpret these open to interpretation scenes is what should be regarded as canon.

Park your bias and do better 😬

So when you say Prime has a regular kryptonian powerset what do you make of him punching reject and seeing the universe being shifted? What do you make of the light depicted on Prime's hand when he closes his fist one last time?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
AGAIN. Its all about interpretation. Your argument isn’t being verified by any conclusive commentary. Its you piecing together the ambiguous and crafting your own take on things and trying to assert that it’s the official line.
That’s not how this works im afraid
As convinced that you are that your interpretation is correct you have to preface it with “in my opinion” and accept that its not canon until DC states it is in a conclusive manner.
Darkest Knight had just created 52 new realities, each with a evil Superman archetype.
Everything was new and in still in flux, said versions had yet to be established as the permanent multiverse.

Superboy Prime saw that when an evil archetype was knocked unconscious, then on the planet they were from, a good archetype takes his place:
https://imgur.com/d4EhDbF
No on panel verification is given as to what happened. SBP even states he doesn’t know what happened. So who made you the authority to tell us DCs official stance?
This whole event from the discovery of the Totality onwards was about good vs evil, anti-crisis vs crisis. As we saw when falters in reality the other rises to prominence. So this could simply be a continuation of that same long established theme.
As I said before, Darkest Knight was the one maintaining these nightmare realities and trying to transition them to permanency, it was a work in progress.
After SBP sees how him hitting the evil archetype leads to the rise of the good equivalent, he reasons that if he kills Darkest Knight, can he create the same effect across all of the last 52. We then see SBP flying directly at DK
https://imgur.com/eLjrEBS

SBP collides with DK thereby having the side effect of causing good to become dominant in the worlds DK created:
https://imgur.com/0r8qXob

You see a world where SBP is a part of a superhero team. Another where he had a kid and another where hes signing autographs for fans.

So where your interpretation is that SBP has some reality altering power that’s never confirmed in writing or through artistic depiction.

My interpretation is that it was the culmination of a theme of good vs evil that’s Snyder had been building up to and by attacking DK who was the source of the crsis/nightmare worlds and the power that maintained them, good began to take a stronghold and we saw what was possible.

When Darkest Knight disappeared and regained his bearings after that initial assault you see that crisis/evil regains the upper hand on those worlds as evidenced by Superboy Primes comments:

[B]“Now all I hear are screams. Pain. Anger. Where is that bat guy hiding?”
https://imgur.com/gRVGKXl
So as I said, reality was in flux and DK was in the process of trying to make his evil worlds the “last 52” permanent.
As DK was attacked meaning good gained the upperhand it affected change on reality as a side effect as DK was powering these nightmare worlds.
There is no confirmation of a reality altering punch. That’s just your preferred interpretation. Is it possible he has such an ability? Of course. Is it a confirmed ability that you can assert as canon? Absolutely not. No matter how strongly you believe in your interpretation.
However SBP states clear as day that he wonders if he kills DK would it have the knock on effect of changing the worlds to good versions.
You see SBP attack DK and that’s what happens: [/B]

Answered that a few pages back.

Thats what im saying. Everything hes bringing to the table ive been able to offer an alternative interpretation for thereby demonstrating that his way of interpreting these ambiguous scenes is not the only way and that without official verification, he cannot assert it as canon.

I mean if you want to ignore the heavy implication that the effect of the punch came from Prime ("What did I do?"😉

That still fails to explain why his fists glowed before that last punch. That artistic depiction is not something portrayed in the "regular kryptonian" powerset

Originally posted by Bentley
I mean if you want to ignore the heavy implication that the effect of the punch came from Prime ("What did [b]I do?"😉

That still fails to explain why his fists glowed before that last punch. That artistic depiction is not something portrayed in the "regular kryptonian" powerset [/B]

That post specifically addresses that point. It refers to the attacking of the evil archetype having a knock on effect on one of the worlds and i said that ties into long running theme in this very same event of a constant struggle of good vs evil/crisis vs anti-crisis constantly vying for dominance.

I then said that SBP himself states that he didnt know what hapened so who are we to assert what happened and present that as canon? We just offer our interpretations and that suffices pending anything official.

That same post also went on to refer to SBP reasoning that if he killed DK would it have the same knock on effect to all the worlds.

It also talked about how given DK was maintaining these worlds, it stands to reason that attacking him, would have a knock on effect i.e good gaining dominance over evil temporarily.

We then saw as Darkest Knight retreated to gain his bearings evil rose to prominence and the good SBP saw in those worlds disappeared.

So the situation was in flux and Darkest Knight was in the process of establishing these nightmares worlds into permanency.

As for SBPs yellow tinged energy. Krptonians are power batteries and both Clark and Kara have pulsated with energy during battles and even unleashed it to empower their strikes:

Supergirl

https://imgur.com/jUaJiGu

Superman

https://imgur.com/qPXHG6C

https://imgur.com/bMhIXJs

So a Krptonian crackling with energy during a fight isnt something thats exclusive to SBP

Energy empowered strikes:

https://imgur.com/Yuxrqw5

https://imgur.com/s7VaEKn

https://imgur.com/rgkZSGn

All established as part of the kryptonian powerset

So my point is, is it possible that SBP has some power to directly effect reality or some ability thats beyond the krptonian power set? Yes. Of course.

Is that official or conclusively confirmed in any way in that incident? ❌

Its ambiguous and the scenes can be explained away with alternative interpretations. Therefore Diesldude is unable to assert that his interpretation is canon and then reference it as an ability to use in forum battles.

^^ you’re asking for conclusive evidence but wheee does it state that fists glow when he hits a reject or DK and or someone else?

😂 there you go your made up assumption and asking me to get the writer to come down and dumb it down for you. Different type of energy around his fist. this is lightening here and the other punch was made of crises energy that DK was amping off of. How do you explain this?

Originally posted by Diesldude
^^ you’re asking for conclusive evidence but wheee does it state that fists glow when he hits a reject or DK and or someone else?

😂 there you go your made up assumption and asking me to get the writer to come down and dumb it down for you. Different type of energy around his fist. this is lightening here and the other punch was made of crises energy that DK was amping off of. How do you explain this?

Youve really put your foot in it there mate.

Youve just given further evidence that SBP crackling with energy when he fights is standard.

Unless you'd like to argue he was just about to reality warp Wonder Woman? 😕 😆

Far be it from me to interrupt, but I have to ask: Since when do Kryptonians glow? Did Snyder bring back that stupid nova power shite? Or did I miss something else?

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youve really put your foot in it there mate.

Youve just given further evidence that SBP crackling with energy when he fights is standard.

Unless you'd like to argue he was just about to reality warp Wonder Woman? 😕 😆

The point was different type of glow.
You were crapping about flying brick, heightened kryptonian and now you are admitting prime has energy manipulation powers. Lol if that’s standard kryptonian powerset then it goes against your entire this was pis argument. I hope you can figure out how you cornered yourself again.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Far be it from me to interrupt, but I have to ask: Since when do Kryptonians glow? Did Snyder bring back that stupid nova power shite? Or did I miss something else?

I think its cool.

They're long established as power batteries so being able to unleash it in ways other than as heat vision seems like a natural extension/evolution 🙂

Originally posted by Diesldude
😂 you’ve just proved that you have a hard time understanding posts as well as comics.

The point was different type of glow.
You were crapping about flying brick, heightened kryptonian and now you are admitting prime has energy manipulation powers. Lol if that’s standard kryptonian powerset then it goes against your entire this was pis argument. I hope you can figure out how you cornered yourself again.

Not at all. Being able to absorb and emit energy is a standard part of the Kryptonian powerset. Thats long been established. Its no secret. They absorb solar energy and thats the key behind all of their other abilities. It gives them their strength and theyre able to emit it in basic ways. Heat vision, to empower their strikes or to do a wider scale emission as ive demonstrated.

SBP has absorbed emotional spectrum energy and the only verified end result was he became even more of a brick. 🙂

The burden of responsibility lies with you to show us where its confirmed that SBP or any kryptonian go further than just energy absorption and basic emission to actual high level energy manipulation. 😖hifty:

I'll wait 😄