Originally posted by carver9
Squall,Why are you so defensive? The scan I posted was to back Prime. Yes, his cold breath went through their shields. They are rookie GLs though but it's still a good ft.
Dont take it personally. Ive come for their god so theyve been irrational and overly sensitive for days.
Itll pass 🙂
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Go for it. Wouldnt stop me and a number of others from being able to counter all comers in SBP vs a high tier cosmic thread 🙂The fact that this guy who is being pitted against cosmic beings has to have people thinking outside of the box and doing all kinds of exotic applications of power to the scenery/environment in order to take out a minor x-man demonstrates perfectly his limitations.
Hes a brick with a limited and uncontrolled ability to create random changes to reality but only through making physical contact with a punch.
Good luck retconning Kitty 😱 😂
But didn't Prime escape from the Speed Force, with enough precision to only arrive back a week after he left? That's...pretty good going in terms of just 'punching things'.
He also escaped from the Phantom Zone, through punching, which is.....precisely what he wanted to do, and was able to control that.
I wouldn't say using HV and cold breath, or simply just shouting (lol) as 'exotic' applications of the Kryptonian powerset. I mean, it isn't as if we are arguing he uses his HV to create antiparticle/particle pairs or cancel vibrations with a whistle or anything 'exotic' like that.
The superspeed vaccuum is literally just him flying fast, lol. I can achieve the same in my car with the windows down.
Originally posted by GalacticStormGS, I have explained this to you a million times over the decades. What happens in any story is dependent on the writer. Arguing anything here is completely subjective.
Go for it. Wouldnt stop me and a number of others from being able to counter all comers in SBP vs a high tier cosmic thread 🙂The fact that this guy who is being pitted against cosmic beings has to have people thinking outside of the box and doing all kinds of exotic applications of power to the scenery/environment in order to take out a minor x-man demonstrates perfectly his limitations.
Hes a brick with a limited and uncontrolled ability to create random changes to reality but only through making physical contact with a punch.
Good luck retconning Kitty 😱 😂
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
GS, I have explained this to you a million times over the decades. What happens in any story is dependent on the writer. Arguing anything here is completely subjective.
Of course its subjective, but a forum battle is a completely different medium where we're hypothesizing based on canon facts established about characters. PIS and officially uncomfirmed fan interpretations whilst interesting to hear hold no weight here.
Originally posted by GalacticStormGS, SBP doesn't have to punch kitty to alter reality the waves will ripple whatever he strikes. This statement is true and means he can simply change a Universe in a forum battle.
Of course its subjective, but a forum battle is a completely different medium where we're hypothesizing based on canon facts established about characters. PIS and officially uncomfirmed fan interpretations whilst interesting to hear hold no weight here.
Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
GS, SBP doesn't have to punch kitty to alter reality the waves will ripple whatever he strikes. This statement is true and means he can simply change a Universe in a forum battle.
Not true. He has to make a solid connection with something and he doesnt know what hes doing, he is unable to trigger specific intended effects. He just punches and sometimes things happen, sometimes they dont.
To make universal alterations he has only done that whilst punching something thats universally significant
Originally posted by GalacticStormHe can make a solid connection with anything and it will ripple. He punches Phoenix, she becomes a chicken and Kitty an Egg.
Not true. He has to make a solid connection with something and he doesnt know what hes doing, he is unable to trigger specific intended effects. He just punches and sometimes things happen, sometimes they dont.To make universal alterations he has only done that whilst punching something thats universally significant
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not true. He has to make a solid connection with something and he doesnt know what hes doing, he is unable to trigger specific intended effects. He just punches and sometimes things happen, sometimes they dont.To make universal alterations he has only done that whilst punching something thats universally significant
But he broke through the Phantom Zone, which iirc isn't a 'solid' barrier to make a connection with.
Neither is the Speed Force barrier (despite it's name) a 'physical' barrier to make connection with.
Nor is the 5th dimension, when he went to grab Mxy.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But he broke through the Phantom Zone, which iirc isn't a 'solid' barrier to make a connection with.Neither is the Speed Force barrier (despite it's name) a 'physical' barrier to make connection with.
Nor is the 5th dimension, when he went to grab Mxy.
And how exactly did he do those things? Have you got a defined ability you can categorize those under so you can bring it to the table in a forum match up? 😕
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
By simply punching.
Forgive me if im wrong (unlikely) but its never been revealed how SBP broke out of the Speed Force. So asserting that it was by "punching" whilst plausible given how hes written isnt actually a canon fact is it? 😕
So its the equivalent of referencing Squirrel Girls defeat of Thanos as a way to amp up her in the hierarchy without actually having a referenceable method/power for how it was done.
Furthermore, as for Superboy Prime breaking out of the Phantom Zone, the Phantom Zone has gone through numerous revisions throughout DC continuity with its appearance and demonstrated characteristics varying throughout.
See this very useful site:
https://ifanboy.com/articles/dc-histories-the-phantom-zone/
In Teen Titans v3 issue 32 a Phantom Zone arrow was used to teleport SBP into the Phantom Zone. Said attack left a breachable viewpoint with physical characteristics through which SBP could see back into normal reality and the heroes could see him.
Note that SBP was able to press his fingers against this physical viewpoint:
Through a punch he was then able to shatter it due to its physicality.
SBP is not the only person in DC continuity to be able to breach through such a viewpoint and demonstrate its physicality:
Notice the stretching dimensional membrane as the criminal reaches through
Notice how the struggle between Krypto and the criminals cause the viewpoint to shatter with physicality:
As demonstrated the Phantom Zone technology creates a two-way viewpoint from which both sides can view each other. A viewpoint with physicality that can and has been breached by Kryptonians other than SBP.
SBP breaching it cannot be argued to be an ability unique to him.
Unfortunately for the fans out there its a rather more grounded and boring explanation. Its just down to the Phantom Zone technology and the physical characteristics of the dimensional viewpoint which allowed this brick to punch through.
Case dismissed.
Come again SuperFriends 🙂