DOS Doomsday vs Hercules

Originally posted by carver9
Again, if we use fts directly from that book, DOS, Hercules stomps here. Do you not understand what I am saying, lol. The thread title say DOS Doomsday. DOS. Now if you want to debate based off the thread title, let me know.

What do you mean by feats? Lifting feats or feats against established characters?

Originally posted by h1a8
What do you mean by feats? Lifting feats or feats against established characters?

All of it from characters specifically in that book. What I'm saying is the characters in DOS was weak AF. Lol!!! This is why Dark is trying to avoid debating this topic.

Originally posted by carver9
@dark...

That's not what you said. You mentioned the Avengers struggling to stop a city destroying asteroid while translating this to the characters being weak. Seems pretty simple to me. Let's not change things.

Now back to characters like WWH, fts only from that story being used. If we limit Doomsday showings with just DOS fts as stated in this title (WWH), Hercules kills him. Do you agree or do you not agree?

Erm, this is what I said:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Aaron Jane was able to push supernovas back.

Avengers Jane was unable to even stop a massively slowed down asteroid.....

Aaron Jane's Mjolnir was able to find her and attempt smashing through vibranium/adamantium.

Avengers Jane got lost in rubble...

And:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Herc and Jane Thor are NOT elites in strength when they are written in the Avengers....

Which is.....true. Please do not lie and misrepresent me.

Now back to the topic. I do not agree, PLUS you are grossly misunderstanding what it is we say. This is the forum rule:

From now on, people using "WWH" as a term to describe Hulk, will have the Hulk in their thread restricted to using feats from the arc. WWH is not the character description. Green Scar, WBH, or HOTM would be more fitting.

Your problem is that you misunderstand the ruling. I have underlined the important part for you - WWH is NOT the character description - THAT'S why he's limited to feats from that arc.

However, DOS Doomsday IS the character description. Simple. That's why he gets all his previous feats (IMHO).

Now, if you want to argue against the Hulk definition, be my guest, I didn't write it.

Also, no I am not avoiding debating the point - you are debating a point that doesn't exist except in your misunderstanding.

Superman was able to withstand a country level destroying blast in his title, DOS Superman got knocked out by a gas station. Guy Gardner was able to survive being close to a planet explosion, DOS Guy got knocked out by getting a car door slammed into his head. It's the same exact thing.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman was able to withstand a country level destroying blast, DOS Superman got knocked out by a gas station. Guy Gardner was able to survive being close to a planet explosion, DOS Guy got knocked out by getting a car door slammed into his head. It's the same exact thing.

Except DOS Superman and Doomsday shook the world with their punches as well, IN THE SAME BOOK.

When did Guy get KOd by a car door?

My point which you glossed over, was that 'WWH' is limited to feats from his story arc, because 'WWH' is NOT the character description - which you wrongly believe.

You misread the rules. The rules state:

WWH-arc Hulk can, more often than not, accomplish something Savage did, WBH can accomplish something WWH-arc Hulk did, and so on. From now on, people using "WWH" as a term to describe Hulk, will have the Hulk in their thread restricted to using feats from the arc. WWH is not the character description. Green Scar, WBH, or HOTM would be more fitting.

That didn't happen IN THE SAME BOOK. You're using a statement AFTER DOS and it's exactly that, a hyperbolic statement. Show me them shaking Earth in DOS during their fight.

Originally posted by carver9
That didn't happen IN THE SAME BOOK. You're using a statement AFTER DOS and it's exactly that, a hyperbolic statement. Show me them shaking Earth in DOS during their fight.

Retcons are perfectly admissible. If tomorrow Marvel release a comic stating that this entire time, Wolverine is an actual wolverine mutated to look human, we have to accept it.

If a later comic states that DOS Doomsday shook the planet with his punches, then it is also admissible.

It's a statement with no actual evidence. It's hyperbolic. I know you want it to be true, lol, but it's not and there's no proof of it. What do you have outside of hyperbolic statements (unless you believe Cyclops optics is powerful enough to split the moon).

Prove it was hyperbolic, please.

Carver has convinced me Herc is phucked

Dunno about this one. It could really be interpreted either way.

Hyperbolic - Statement in bio/handbook form that came many years later.
Original scene only showed local collateral damage. No indication at all of shaking the planet.
The fight was also well known throughout the planet and was pretty much televised everywhere(i think). It could be a metaphor for all the negative feelings people were having as they saw their paragon getting really hurt and in mortal danger.

Non Hylerbolic - Supes and DD have shown remarkable feats of strength/power in other times so this is not so far fetched.
Iirc there's a scan of the collateral damage reaching Gotham. There's a chance that they were affecting much more beyond than local.
The statement can also be an extension of the story. It's painting a broader picture of what happened.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Dunno about this one. It could really be interpreted either way.

Hyperbolic - Statement in bio/handbook form that came many years later.
Original scene only showed local collateral damage. No indication at all of shaking the planet.
The fight was also well known throughout the planet and was pretty much televised everywhere(i think). It could be a metaphor for all the negative feelings people were having as they saw their paragon getting really hurt and in mortal danger.

Non Hylerbolic - Supes and DD have shown remarkable feats of strength/power in other times so this is not so far fetched.
Iirc there's a scan of the collateral damage reaching Gotham. There's a chance that they were affecting much more beyond than local.
The statement can also be an extension of the story. It's painting a broader picture of what happened.

Originally posted by Bentley
Carver has convinced me Herc is phucked

😂

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
For me, The hyperbolic arugment seems like trying to arguing all of Hulk's planet-destroying statements are hyperboles since Hulk's pants never get destroyed. You need to do a really high level of mental gymnastics
DC was certainly slowly improving the scale of this fight throughout those years(Mainly because Superman slowly becoming more powerful. For example, In a flashback Superman pulling the earth)
In Superman: Day of Doom, stating that Superman and Doomsday were creating a roll of powerful shockwaves
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Superman-Day-of-Doom/Issue-2?id=108991#11
It stated Doomsday's punches so powerful that could be registered on seismographs all over the country
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Superman-Day-of-Doom/Issue-1?id=108990#21
Not to mention in Doomsday Annual an early version of Doomsday also got a lot of good feats

@Dark,

Why do I need to prove if the statement is hyperbolic, lol? It remind me of this showing. Thor hammer swings shaking the stars.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a2f8c24afb312c5c56b9f8382a9f7b54

Do you accept that statement Darksaint?

Originally posted by lawest9
Maybe it's just my device but your links came with adware that I didn't trust.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Just thought I should post the unabridged comic books so everyone can check it by themselves.
Anyway these are the scans I posted
https://ibb.co/MCQK1v8
https://ibb.co/ws216RJ

Originally posted by carver9
@Dark,

Why do I need to prove if the statement is hyperbolic, lol? It remind me of this showing. Thor hammer swings shaking the stars.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-a2f8c24afb312c5c56b9f8382a9f7b54

Do you accept that statement Darksaint?

Because you made the claim?

I am still unaware of what your point in all of this is.

Is it that Superman was only gas station level in the story, and that DD killing him wasn't all that impressive a feat?

It took an all-out/bloodlusted Superman(the likes of which we've only seen like 2-3 times in his entire history) to finally injure, and ultimately put down, DoS Doomsday.

Herc simply isn't on that level.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because you made the claim?

I am still unaware of what your point in all of this is.

Is it that Superman was only gas station level in the story, and that DD killing him wasn't all that impressive a feat?