Originally posted by Galan007
It took an all-out/bloodlusted Superman(the likes of which we've only seen like 2-3 times in his entire history) to finally injure, and ultimately put down, DoS Doomsday.Herc simply isn't on that level.
Originally posted by Galan007👆
It took an all-out/bloodlusted Superman(the likes of which we've only seen like 2-3 times in his entire history) to finally injure, and ultimately put down, DoS Doomsday.Herc simply isn't on that level.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
For me, The hyperbolic arugment seems like trying to arguing all of Hulk's planet-destroying statements are hyperboles since Hulk's pants never get destroyed. You need to do a really high level of mental gymnastics
DC was certainly slowly improving the scale of this fight throughout those years(Mainly because Superman slowly becoming more powerful. For example, In a flashback Superman pulling the earth)
In Superman: Day of Doom, stating that Superman and Doomsday were creating a roll of powerful shockwaves
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Superman-Day-of-Doom/Issue-2?id=108991#11
It stated Doomsday's punches so powerful that could be registered on seismographs all over the country
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Superman-Day-of-Doom/Issue-1?id=108990#21
Not to mention in Doomsday Annual an early version of Doomsday also got a lot of good feats
Like I said, one can lean hyperbolic mainly because original story had nothing that indicated planet shaking in regards to their "deathblows". I mean one would be literally lying if they had that sentiment when the story first came out. It wasnt until years and years later that the shaking planet to its core in bio form came out that the scale of damage might now be able to be viewed differently. It's like night and day.
As to Day of Doom series that came out a decade after the original story, I already addressed that when I brought up Gotham. Still when I first read it, it's simply not comparable to planet shaking.
In regards to DD and seismographs, he was well below earth's surface and can affect the planet much easier from that location. The most recent bio statement said "deathblows" shaking the planet core. I'm figuring the statement was talking about their final few blows at each other(*shrug*).That is much harder to achieve i think since they were fighting on earth's surface and much of the force or shockwaves were probably propagating through air.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not sure how u got to explaining Hulk pants..Like I said, one can lean hyperbolic mainly because original story had nothing that indicated planet shaking in regards to their "deathblows". I mean one would be literally lying if they had that sentiment when the story came out. It wasnt until years and years later that the shaking planet to its core in bio form came out that the scale of damage might now be able to be viewed differently. It's like night and day.
As to Day of Doom series that came out a decade after the original story, I already addressed that when I brought up Gotham. Still when I first read it, it's simply not comparable to planet shaking.
In regards to DD and seismographs, he was well below earth's surface and can affect the planet much easier from that location. The most recent bio statement said "deathblows" shaking the planet core. I'm figuring the statement was talking about their final few blows at each other(*shrug*).Thats is much harder to achieve i think since they were fighting on earth's surface and much of the force or shockwaves were probably propagating through air.
Originally posted by lawest9
Leave it to C9 to lowball Supes at every opportunity.
How am I lowballing Superman? Are you not reading my posts? I specifically said "if we limit this primarily to DOS, Hercules CAN win this based off everything that was shown in DOS". Now if you want to debate this, we can.
Originally posted by carver9But your statement does lowball Supes, for you said that 'Herc kills him' not just " Herc can win this", SUPERMAN killed DD at the cost of his own life, so now if Herc can "kill" DD in your opinion does Herc die in the attempt as well?
How am I lowballing Superman? Are you not reading my posts? I specifically said "if we limit this primarily to DOS, Hercules CAN win this based off everything that was shown in DOS". Now if you want to debate this, we can.
Originally posted by lawest9
But your statement does lowball Supes, for you said that 'Herc kills him' not just " Herc can win this", SUPERMAN killed DD at the cost of his own life, so now if Herc can "kill" DD in your opinion does Herc die in the attempt as well?
Are we using showings primarily from DOS since this is titled DOS or are you changing your mind? If Doomsday have ALL of his showings, then he destroys Herc. If we are limiting him to only DOS fts, then Herc wins this.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
My point is the argument that saying the bio just hyperbolic doesnt hold much since DC was certainly improving the scale of this fight by flashbacks throughout these years. Thus the first argument(I.E trying to argue what bio stated is hyperbolic) doesnt hold much since there are many other proofs to support the opposite
I mean you later get the statements Superman needs to break his mental barriers(I.E going all out) to put DOS Doomsday down.
You later get Superman and Doomsday were creating powerful shockwaves when they fought. And before that DD's punches were registered on seismographs all over the country etc
We also know comic books always have silly stuff(Like people dont get killed, Buildings dont get destroyed when they should be destroyed by logic)
Lois was literally right beside Doomsday and Superman when they were fighting. I'm talking about, she was able to touch him and probably throw out a hug if she wanted to during the time Doomsday and Superman were fighting. It's hyperbole.
Originally posted by carver9Not changing my mind at all and I know that I created this thread limiting DD to the DOS version, but you didn't answer my question, which was if Hercules KILLS him like you said at least twice now..........does Herc die in return like Clark did?......if you say that Herc doesn't, then that would be lowballing Superman.
Are we using showings primarily from DOS since this is titled DOS or are you changing your mind? If Doomsday have ALL of his showings, then he destroys Herc. If we are limiting him to only DOS fts, then Herc wins this.
Originally posted by carver9Like when WBH blows the planet apart but they clothes are still intact? 🙂
Lois was literally right beside Doomsday and Superman when they were fighting. I'm talking about, she was able to touch him and probably throw out a hug if she wanted to during the time Doomsday and Superman were fighting. It's hyperbole.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Like when WBH blows the planet apart but they clothes are still intact? 🙂
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Incredible-Hulks-2010/Issue-634?id=33162#14
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Incredible-Hulks-2010/Issue-634?id=33162#15
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Incredible-Hulks-2010/Issue-634?id=33162#17
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Incredible-Hulks-2010/Issue-634?id=33162#18
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Incredible-Hulks-2010/Issue-634?id=33162#19
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Incredible-Hulks-2010/Issue-635?id=33165#6
Cloths intact? Are you saying the artist should have them butt necked hanging? I'm lost here. It's pretty obvious why artist do not destroy characters clothing having them hanging down low and boobs out during major fights, lol. Do better.
Originally posted by carver9And it basically is the same reason why writers dont let those main characters but also just normal humans die in the Superman and Doomsday case
Cloths intact? Are you saying the artist should've have then butt necked hanging? I'm lost here. It's pretty obvious why artist do not destroy characters clothing having them hanging down low and **** out during major fights, lol.
Huge difference here. In the TRUE scene we see people standing around right next to Superman and Doomsday fighting...
https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11118/111187046/7924705-5360560004-Super.jpg
In your scan, not a single person is there until the end where Lois is holding Superman...
One of these scenes are wrong. I think I'm going to accept the original fight.
Originally posted by carver9
Cloths intact? Are you saying the artist should have them butt necked hanging? I'm lost here. It's pretty obvious why artist do not destroy characters clothing having them hanging down low and boobs out during major fights, lol. Do better.
So in short, PIS.
Thanks. You just saying 'its obvious' doesn't detract from the point made.
Originally posted by carver9
Huge difference here. In the TRUE scene we see people standing around right next to Superman and Doomsday fighting...https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11118/111187046/7924705-5360560004-Super.jpg
In your scan, not a single person is there until the end where Lois is holding Superman...
One of these scenes are wrong. I think I'm going to accept the original fight.
Originally posted by carver9
It's not PIS, cloths being ripped and people dying are 2 different things. People die in comics, characters booty, boobs and everything else showing isn't all that common. We are reading comics, not reading pornhub, lol. Try harder.
But they're the same thing.
It doesn't happen because the writer/artist didn't want to show it, not because it logically doesn't happen.
So you can't use either as 'proof' of something.
Edit: lol qwertyuiop ninja'ing me.
Originally posted by carver9
It's not PIS, cloths being ripped and people dying are 2 different things. People die in comics, characters booty, boobs and everything else showing isn't all that common. We are reading comics, not reading pornhub, lol. Try harder.
Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
2 Comic books always have stuff like that. For example, In Doomsday Clock when Captain Atom created a huge explosion but normal humans like Green Arrow/Batgirl/Nightwing/Question still survive this explosion, Which also should be able to kill them by logic
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Doomsday-Clock/Issue-9?id=151016#29
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Doomsday-Clock/Issue-9?id=151016#30
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Doomsday-Clock/Issue-9?id=151016#31
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Doomsday-Clock/Issue-9?id=151016#32
Originally posted by h1a8
And Carv is the first one to claim that the lack of collateral damage doesn't disprove power but rather writers intent should be taken into account.See how he flip flops.
Nope... what I'm saying is the scenes are completely different. One scene, we have people standing around Superman and Doomsday fight, spectating the entire fight. This scene is the true, actual, on panel fight. The second scan that Q posted is Superman and Doomsday fighting and no one being there. Not a single person. They are 2 different showings with one being the actual fight.
Originally posted by carver9
Nope... what I'm saying is the scenes are completely different. One scene, we have people standing around Superman and Doomsday fight, spectating the entire fight. This scene is the true, actual, on panel fight. The second scan that Q posted is Superman and Doomsday fighting and no one being there. Not a single person. They are 2 different showings with one being the actual fight.
So you are saying that Superman and DD didn't shake the Earth because of the lack of collateral damage (people standing around), regardless of writers intent?
