DOS Doomsday vs Hercules

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk, Superman, Wonder Woman, Magneto, Jubilee, Bishop, Batman pants doesn't get destroyed because we are not watching porn. If you want to see a comic full of necked characters, then you should probably invest time in scrolling through pornhub. Now if we have consistent scenes like THIS (below) where he is pounding on a human level character and OBVIOUSLY isn't holding back, and still fails to kill him, speaks volumes to me. Imagine Hulk going all out on Daredevil failing to even cause major physical damage, you all would downplay him. Let's not lie here. You're only doing this because it's Doomsday (who's involved with Superman). You're bias...

https://ibb.co/n8PzTYx

I literally said not to use that excuse, because artists can find ways to not actually show the naughty bits. Are you autistic? Here is an example of a movie of them avoiding showing nudity while the characters are naked.

YouTube video

So how is it Hulk still has pants? Answer. My. ****ing. Question.

And it's either "your bias" or "you're biased." Fail.

@dark...

You asking me that question shows that you didn't read my posts. The characters Doomsday fought, of course they are strong but during DOS, they're power level sucked. If Wendigo and Bi Beast (these are examples) during HOTM had to combine strength to lift a car then right after that, someone throw a hand grenade at them, killing both, the showing make their power level suspect.

Another example, if a Mindless One walked up to both Betty and Hulk and one punch koed both and used a kitchen knife to lop limbs off so they couldn't fight anymore, I wouldn't ignore this and say "well, even though they got taken out by a kitchen knife, in issue 92, not written by Pak, Hulk ate a Nuke, so we need to ignore him being sliced up by a kitchen knife". Then, if it kept happening throughout the story, Hulk getting koed by a child hitting him with a baseball bat, Hulk getting koed from falling off a one story roof, Hulk getting hit in the back of the head by a rock ending with him being knocked out. All of this happening in the same story under the same writer, I wouldn't say, "we need to ignore this from Pak and focus on what Stan Lee wrote about Hulk. Yes, he got taken out by a brick under Pak but Stan Lee had him withstand a planet explosion".

I dont know any other way of explaining this. So yes, if Wendigo and Bi Beast had ridiculous showings in HOTM, then I would use that against them but since they didn't have outright terrible showings, I can only go by what I know of them in other books.

You do know that Superman in DOS not only got knocked out by a gas station explosion, he got knocked out by some pillars falling on him AND he got knocked out and could hardly stand from a building exploding on both him and Doomsday. This is not your high end or even mid level Superman we are discussing here. He was WEAK in DOS.

@Delta...

Well, since you didn't accept common sense, the only thing I can tell you is, Hulk pants survived because they are nigh indestructible. There is enough evidence of them being indestructible. They survived the Phoenix Force blast, nukes, planetary level attacks. Building explosions. High tier beings hitting them. Hulk pants are just as powerful as his skin.

Originally posted by carver9
@dark...

You asking me that question shows that you didn't read my posts. The characters Doomsday fought, of course they are strong but during DOS, they're power level sucked. If Wendigo and Bi Beast (these are examples) during HOTM had to combine strength to lift a car then right after that, someone throw a hand grenade at them, killing both, the showing make their power level suspect.

Another example, if a Mindless One walked up to both Betty and Hulk and one punch koed both and used a kitchen knife to lop limbs off so they couldn't fight anymore, I wouldn't ignore this and say "well, even though they got taken out by a kitchen knife, in issue 92, not written by Pak, Hulk ate a Nuke, so we need to ignore him being sliced up by a kitchen knife". Then, if it kept happening throughout the story, Hulk getting koed by a child hitting him with a baseball bat, Hulk getting koed from falling off a one story roof, Hulk getting hit in the back of the head by a rock ending with him being knocked out. All of this happening in the same story under the same writer, I wouldn't say, "we need to ignore this from Pak and focus on what Stan Lee wrote about Hulk. Yes, he got taken out by a brick under Pak but Stan Lee had him withstand a planet explosion".

I dont know any other way of explaining this. So yes, if Wendigo and Bi Beast had ridiculous showings in HOTM, then I would use that against them but since they didn't have outright terrible showings, I can only go by what I know of them in other books.

You do know that Superman in DOS not only got knocked out by a gas station explosion, he got knocked out by some pillars falling on him AND he got knocked out and could hardly stand from a building exploding on both him and Doomsday. This is not your high end or even mid level Superman we are discussing here. He was WEAK in DOS.

But why are you limiting Superman's showings to the storyline only?

Lol... because in THAT story, Superman along with every other character were not that great. It's the same reason you thought Hulk showing sucked when he fought the Avengers. They failed to stop a city destroying meteor. I literally showed you numerous of reasons on why Doomsday along with the other characters were not impressive. I'm not going to say "Superman withstood a planet explosion in a Darkseid event, so Doomsday beating him is beastly". Not when, in the same issues where Doomsday and Superman fought, Superman got knocked out by pillars falling on him, gas station explosion, building explosion... Doomsday kicked those same pillars on top of Superman knocking him out again. There's more, this is just a sample of what I remember. It's like I'm consistently repeating myself. Yes, OUTSIDE of DOS, Superman have great showings but under this writer, during DOS, the power level of these characters was meta at best which drops DOS Doomsday stock.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Well, there goes lunch.

😂

Originally posted by carver9
So you avoided my question and answered it with a question. If Hulk mounted Doc Strange and punched on him with everything he had and Strange survived with a couple of scratches, would you have forgotten about this or would you have used it against WBH? Even after melting everyone and everything, would you have ignored him causing minor injuries to human level Strange? We know for a FACT you wouldn't but I'm curious on what your answer would be here.

It goes back to this statement that you still didn't answer. If Hulk pounded on Strange with everything he had, would you use it against him?

I'd have ignored it.

Same way I ignored for example, the truck not meltingin my WBH scan. Or Monica Rappacini standing a few feet away from everyone as they're fighting each other, giving off gamma rads.

Or how I ignore Hulk's pants not melting. I understand how comics work, lol, how stories are written. You try and come up with head canon ('oh ,his pants are Skyfather level! Oh, artists can't draw nudity!'😉 when in fact, I know it's just writer intent. I only bring the pants up when people start arguing collateral damage or whatever.

Same way I actually ignore Batman's showings unless his opponent is bringing in THEIR high end showings, or I'm trying to prove a point.

Originally posted by carver9
It goes back to this statement that you still didn't answer. If Hulk pounded on Strange with everything he had, would you use it against him?

Originally posted by carver9
@Delta...

Well, since you didn't accept common sense, the only thing I can tell you is, Hulk pants survived because they are nigh indestructible. There is enough evidence of them being indestructible. They survived the Phoenix Force blast, nukes, planetary level attacks. Building explosions. High tier beings hitting them. Hulk pants are just as powerful as his skin.

One: you're a ****ing idiot. No, you're not arguing common sense, you're arguing stupidity. Common sense would be the artists can find ways to not show the bits.

Two: if you're arguing Hulk's pants are indestructible, explain why they're torn at the bottom. Do they magically get indestructible when he turns into Hulk?

Three: You also have ignored my question of how Bruce survived instead of was killed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'd have ignored it.

Same way I ignored for example, the truck not meltingin my WBH scan. Or Monica Rappacini standing a few feet away from everyone as they're fighting each other, giving off gamma rads.

Or how I ignore Hulk's pants not melting. I understand how comics work, lol, how stories are written. You try and come up with head canon ('oh ,his pants are Skyfather level! Oh, artists can't draw nudity!'😉 when in fact, I know it's just writer intent. I only bring the pants up when people start arguing collateral damage or whatever.

Same way I actually ignore Batman's showings unless his opponent is bringing in THEIR high end showings, or I'm trying to prove a point.

Wished you thought of writers intent when you was talking about the Avengers failing to stop a meteor or Thor being hit in the back of the head by a rock but in the same comic, tanking an all out attack from Galactus. You're literally the same person that asked "what have this version of Galactus done for him to be far more powerful than his previous counterpart". You ignored everything, him absorbing planets, his previous showings in OTHER comics. All!! And still asked "what did THIS version of Galactus do". Even applied this same logic to Herald Thor but hey, Doomsday gets the benefit of doubt and gets the argument of writers intent. You're bias and you need to own up to it. If this was Hulk, you would've downplayed the heck out of him. You've already done it. You are DC bias, I'm talking about, you either match or exceed ABHI in that department.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol @ him breaking the shield. Now that's some funny sh**. Anyways, it doesn't even matter if the shield was broken (lol), the point is, Guy had no shields during that confrontation.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... because in THAT story, Superman along with every other character were not that great. It's the same reason you thought Hulk showing sucked when he fought the Avengers. They failed to stop a city destroying meteor. I literally showed you numerous of reasons on why Doomsday along with the other characters were not impressive. I'm not going to say "Superman withstood a planet explosion in a Darkseid event, so Doomsday beating him is beastly". Not when, in the same issues where Doomsday and Superman fought, Superman got knocked out by pillars falling on him, gas station explosion, building explosion... Doomsday kicked those same pillars on top of Superman knocking him out again. There's more, this is just a sample of what I remember. It's like I'm consistently repeating myself. Yes, OUTSIDE of DOS, Superman have great showings but under this writer, during DOS, the power level of these characters was meta at best which drops DOS Doomsday stock.

Not only did you ignore my post, but this reminds me you never responded to me demanding you prove your claims, that Superman was KOed by those themselves, instead of being the straw that broke the camel's back in accumulated damage.

Or if we go by the rules, I can report you for using PIS because we have examples that prove this is lowballing. Your arguments against DS are invalid because it's not PIS to bring up what he did to make his point.

But you're just a salty hypocrite. I won't be surprised if you so say Hulk's pants magically become indestructible after he turns into Hulk just like when you got exposed lying about Martian Manhunter beating Ultraman and it was proven he was weakened, you literally argued he was at full power until after the fight. I mean if you're going to insist you weren't lying, I'll fully accept you admitting you're retarded.....

Originally posted by abhilegend
I literally just posted that he had one. All Lanterns have auto shields. You're just idiotic.

Ok, so now you're saying Doomsday didn't break the shield? I need you to make up your mind. It's funny you're calling someone an idiot but you can't even remember your last post.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, so now you're saying Doomsday didn't break the shield? I need you to make up your mind. It's funny you're calling someone an idiot but you can't even remember your last post.

But you are an idiot. The "Ultraman was only weakened after losing" is one of many examples.

You all seem hurt by this topic, lol. I think it's best to ignore topics your heart can't handle.

Originally posted by lawest9
You are not one to complain about someone not answering a question as you have never answered my question to you.

What was your question?

Originally posted by carver9
Ok, so now you're saying Doomsday didn't break the shield? I need you to make up your mind. It's funny you're calling someone an idiot but you can't even remember your last post.

Originally posted by carver9
Wished you thought of writers intent when you was talking about the Avengers failing to stop a meteor or Thor being hit in the back of the head by a rock but in the same comic, tanking an all out attack from Galactus. You're literally the same person that asked "what have this version of Galactus done for him to be far more powerful than his previous counterpart". You ignored everything, him absorbing planets, his previous showings in OTHER comics. All!! And still asked "what did THIS version of Galactus do". Even applied this same logic to Herald Thor but hey, Doomsday gets the benefit of doubt and gets the argument of writers intent. You're bias and you need to own up to it. If this was Hulk, you would've downplayed the heck out of him. You've already done it. You are DC bias, I'm talking about, you either match or exceed ABHI in that department.

Except in THAT Galactus thread, I thought it was limited to what THAT Galactus did.

The point I had in that thread (or maybe it was Sin?) was that people were just doing pure scaling. Galactus said he was the most powerful ever, yet didn't have the feats. So I asked, what were his feats?

Now, if DOS Superman said he was the most powerful Superman ever, but didn't show feats....I mean, comic narration is nice, but you agree that feats are better, no?

I mean, would YOU ignore Hulk smashing his fists into human Strange?

Originally posted by carver9
You all seem hurt by this topic, lol. I think it's best to ignore topics your heart can't handle.

I'm sure it makes you feel better to think I'm butthurt, but I'm calmly pointing out factual observations. You have multiple stupid arguments here.

You argue they won't destroy his pants because they won't show nudity. It has been pounded into you that this can be avoided with angles, distance, shadows, objects obscuring, so they can have the pants destroyed without actually showing Hulk's genitals or ass.

What do you do? Say his pants are indestructible and make a drawn out argument. I then point put they're torn at the bottom and ask how if they're indestructible. Do they magically become indestructible after he turns into Hulk? Instead of answering this, because you know you can't answer it without either admitting your argument is as weak as your gaming skills, or prove to everyone you're the idiot we say you are.

You also avoid answering how Bruce got the power to turn into Hulk instead of dying of radiation poisoning, or at least getting cancer.

But no, it's easier for you to accuse me of being butthurt. Just like instead of admitting you didn't read the WW comic where her Force did supposedly protected from black holes, you just called DS a hater and played the victim to him.....even though I'm the one who exposed you.