Originally posted by carver9
Also, ABHI said he had shields on here which is not the case. Doomsday grabbed him by the jacket...
Why are you struggling to comprehend this? If Doomsday grabbed his jacket (and he did) there are no shields. This is as basic as I can tell you. Maybe if I gave an example, it would help.
If you got a new haircut and didn't want to mess it up and put a glass bowl on top of your skull so that people won't touch it, it would be next to impossible for Philo to rub his hands through your hair. This is the best description that I think you would understand this simple concept.
Originally posted by carver9
You're pulling scenes from different things and writers to go against what I am saying. I'm telling you, the entire book is like this. The portrayal of these characters were weak and this is the Doomsday we are debating here.
Am I?
Same writer said WW was out to kill. It was a few pages after. Same writer who had WW body slamming an injured Bruce, with no armour, in a aucker punch.
Same writer, same storyline. Literally a few pages apart.
Originally posted by carver9
My bad, it isn't Guy, it was Boostet Gold, who had no shields when Doomsday was pounding on him, ya know, human durability Booster. Also, Doomsday doesn't hold back...No matter how you twist this, the portrayal of ALL of the characters in this book was ridiculous. If we are discussing DOS Doomsday, fts directly from this character, Hercules stomps.
So explain to me how Hulk still has pants in his fights or damage he takes. Don't make that bullshit excuse of they can't show nudity, artists can and do draw characters naked but use shadows, angles, etc to cover things up. Explain why Hulk's pants still exist and you're ok with this but then argue Booster.
Also, explain how Hulk even exists. Bruce was a normal human, he should be killed by plenty of radiation.
And if DOS Doomsday was so weak, why did he do something only 3 Pocketverse Kryptonians(who were effectively Pre-CRISIS) working together accomplished?
Originally posted by carver9
You're pulling scenes from different things and writers to go against what I am saying. I'm telling you, the entire book is like this. The portrayal of these characters were weak and this is the Doomsday we are debating here.
Same writer (Scott Snyder) and same storyline (Batman: Endgame). Note the art is the same as well:
A bit slower, but she's out to kill and not pulling her punches.
Same WW who sucker punches an injured unarmoured Bruce, and doesn't even KO him.
This is WW we are talking about here. A warrior born. Highly trained. Out to kill.
My point being, surely this is PIS? No one would seriously argue Batman is WW level (or slightly below her), yet you're arguing that Doomsday Vs Booster is somehow valid.
Arguing that writers and artists won't depict a naked Hulk is silly - we've seen naked Hulk before. Moreover, I can just turn around and argue that the writers only wanted Superman to die, not Booster, that's how he survived.
In short, PIS. Same with the gas station. But the point remains: Doomsday physically beat one of the top heralds in DC to death, no weakness exploit, no Kryptonite etc - and Superman gets access to all of his feats.
Just like we don't argue that the Wendigo or BiBeast in WBH are 'weaker'. Or that Zom Strange in WWH was 'weaker'. They all get their feats throughout history. And Hulk smashed them.
Here, Superman gets all of his feats throughout history. And Doomsday smashed him.
Originally posted by carver9this is just sad. They should hires you to crack jokes at funerals. That will get everyone crying real quick.
Why are you struggling to comprehend this? If Doomsday grabbed his jacket (and he did) there are no shields. This is as basic as I can tell you. Maybe if I gave an example, it would help.If you got a new haircut and didn't want to mess it up and put a glass bowl on top of your skull so that people won't touch it, it would be next to impossible for Philo to rub his hands through your hair. This is the best description that I think you would understand this simple concept.
Originally posted by carver9
Guess you didn't read my post. Again, Guy didn't have his shields up because DOOMSDAY GRABBED HIS JACKET.
Your mistake is assuming the shields are stiff and inflexible, like a glass bowl.
When in fact, they are malleable, like a balloon. Otherwise, how can he move? Imagine your skin - imagine it was solid. Look at your elbows, your fingers, your wrist.
Regardless of this, Batman vs WW is still applicable. Your arguments are like me taking this page:
Note the circled in red parts? That's how close WBH/Betty were. And when they first arrived back on Earth, when they were fighting, they didn't melt the equipment or Monica or Strange or anyone/anything. Of course in the page I post, Hulk was told that he was no longer in the DD - but before this, when he was fighting, he thought he was in the DD (and hence, wasn't holding back).
So am I to argue that the versions of Wendigo/BiBeast/ArmCheddon et al are weaksauce? Umar in that storyline was written weakly? That truck in my scan isn't even being melted.
Betty wasn't told she wasn't in the DD any more - look at her fighting A-Bomb (who is also amped, btw). She's not holding back.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Am I?Same writer said WW was out to kill. It was a few pages after. Same writer who had WW body slamming an injured Bruce, with no armour, in a aucker punch.
Same writer, same storyline. Literally a few pages apart.
Lol... during this discussion, it was said that Batman is the EXCEPTION when discussing things like this. Keep trying though.
Originally posted by Delta1938
So explain to me how Hulk still has pants in his fights or damage he takes. Don't make that bullshit excuse of they can't show nudity, artists can and do draw characters naked but use shadows, angles, etc to cover things up. Explain why Hulk's pants still exist and you're ok with this but then argue Booster.Also, explain how Hulk even exists. Bruce was a normal human, he should be killed by plenty of radiation.
And if DOS Doomsday was so weak, why did he do something only 3 Pocketverse Kryptonians(who were effectively Pre-CRISIS) working together accomplished?
Hulk, Superman, Wonder Woman, Magneto, Jubilee, Bishop, Batman pants doesn't get destroyed because we are not watching porn. If you want to see a comic full of necked characters, then you should probably invest time in scrolling through pornhub. Now if we have consistent scenes like THIS (below) where he is pounding on a human level character and OBVIOUSLY isn't holding back, and still fails to kill him, speaks volumes to me. Imagine Hulk going all out on Daredevil failing to even cause major physical damage, you all would downplay him. Let's not lie here. You're only doing this because it's Doomsday (who's involved with Superman). You're bias...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm not making WW look bad though. I'm saying it was PIS Bats wasn't turned into a pink smear.But notice how I used WBH? You glossed over that conveniently.
You using Batman period, like Pr said is basically a dumbass move.
They were not creating shockwaves from the fight on earth. This much is pretty obvious. Even after destroying the planet the first time, they didn't replicate that showing afterwards. Them melting high tier characters the first time was sufficient. I have no way of explaining why they didn't destroy everything after the first time doing it but a scene like that doesn't need an explanation.
I want you to be honest, if WBH, after destroying Umar realm the first time, put all of his attention of human durability Doc Strange and jumped on him and started pounding him with everything he had and it did absolutely nothing, remember, this is AFTER destroying Umar realm and melting everyone... would you have used that showing against WBH or would you have forgotten about it? Remember, WBH stopped fighting Betty and went all out punching Strange in the face with everything he had and it not doing anything.
So you avoided my question and answered it with a question. If Hulk mounted Doc Strange and punched on him with everything he had and Strange survived with a couple of scratches, would you have forgotten about this or would you have used it against WBH? Even after melting everyone and everything, would you have ignored him causing minor injuries to human level Strange? We know for a FACT you wouldn't but I'm curious on what your answer would be here.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao imagine if we did this the Carver way.What feats does Zom Strange have, outside of WWH? What feats does Ghost Rider have outside of the incarnation we saw in WWH? Juggernaut? Colossus?
What feats does BiBeast, Wendigo, ArmCheddon et al have outside of the Heart of the Monster storyline? What feats does Umar have? Fin Fang Foom? Imagine if we kept it where every character is limited to their specific 3-4 issue storylines lol.
My question was from days ago, lol. Stop avoiding it
