Originally posted by CosmicComet
Literally none of what you said amounts to anything against the notion that I already called out of comics being inherently terrible at power scaling or outright ignoring it for plot contrivance.Again you can be thousands or even billions of times less powerful than an opponent in comics and still draw blood in comics. Thing and Aquaman once again fall into that category. Batman does far more brilliantly even in impromptu non prep fights against power houses and no one claims he is herald level.
Power scaling with Wonder Woman is the lazy way of avoiding putting his actual physicals on paper since wonder woman is so variable. Wonder Woman's best strength and speed feats e.g. aiding to move the moon or being massively FTL in reflexes absolutely murder stomp Aquaman's best. But she is highly writer dependent and Aquaman's best compares to her middle. He is not written up to her, she is written down so they can meet in the middle.
Can Aquaman move a moon? No. Is he massively FTL? Never in his life.
None of what you mentioned is an argument above the life wiping meteor scenario. A meteor that can devaste all the continents and completely boil the oceans is so massively above the meteor that hit the Yucatan peninsula and wiped out the dinosaurs (and I'm not even convinced Arthur would survive even that as Mera had to shield him from a mini nuke).
You mention his strength but list closing an oceanic trench as an argument? Basically among his best. Thanks for confirming that he is millions of times too weak to catch and throw back that meteor.
Blast it with the trident? Proof that the trident can blast with a force far above baseline multi-continental? Even if he could, thanks for proving that he needs an instrument to do something a lower average Superman could do unaided.
Here is how I would list Aquaman's stats, highballed:
Strength/Attack Potency: Country level with the trident. Can maybe hit with a few billion tons of force barehanded.
Durability: A little above his physical output without the Trident.
Speed: mid to high hypersonic. Eg. Mach 200-500. Basically a lightning timer.If I wrote an Aquaman comic with those kinds of feats I would be lambasted as a fanboy wanking the character, but even though that would be the most feat dense version of Aquaman ever? That still doesn't even come close to 1% of Superman's more mundane feats. Let alone even his middle-high.
Aquaman will never be the guy to casually bench 6.6 sextillion tons of weight for days straight while gradually starving.
He probably wouldn't even be able to bench a submarine for 5 days straight while fully hydrated.
If you ever had Arthur toss an honest to goodness mountain, it would be the most visually impressive feat he ever had. If Superman does that it would be a slow day, and people would point out him stopping a sentient mountain so large it was going to step on metropolis from decades ago when he was far weaker.
They are TIERS apart.
Stopping the force of an attack that destroyed what was said to be the biggest continent on the planet > Helping move the moon
The moon is stated to weigh about 73.5 million metric tons. That’s pretty lowend for characters like Superman.
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/rocket/moon.html
Aquaman’s sealing the trench feat should honestly shit on that in weight.
https://www.answers.com/Q/How_much_does_a_tectonic_plate_weigh
I agree for the most part though that Aquaman depends on power scaling, but then again so does Wonder Woman.
My only add in is by feats he’s stronger than what your making him out to be and he has a weapon that can kill characters of Superman’s tier and higher.
In terms of speed he has multiple faster than or as fast as lightning claims or scans showing it to be fact. So he’s not slow. He can’t really get FTL without scaling either. Which I think to a certain point characters feats should be scaled but at the same time I agree not to heavily rely on it.
I think going off Wonder Woman fights. Aquaman could give Superman issues especially if it was a composite Aquaman of Pre-Crisis to Modern Age. There’s too many factors. Telepathy, Sea Monsters, Trident, AOE with the trident and Aquaman’s healing factor. Not to mention Superman has struggled in the past with characters like Ocean Master and King Shark who power class wise rank below Aquaman. Atleast King Shark does.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
The moon. 75 "MILLION" tons. LOL.Get your damn sources right.
I'll respond later
8,100,000,000,000,001,024 tons
My mistake that’s what I ended up getting going off this
https://www.todayimhome.com/post/how-much-does-the-moon-weigh
Still lower. You have to keep in mind the gravity around the moon is lighter given its position in space. The fact the moon is smaller than Asia surface area atleast but that’s not including the foundation of Asia. Honestly Asia would weigh more than the moon. Given its on Earth, and it’s foundation on top of its already bigger size in surface.
Atlantis as a continent > Asia.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What if Supes was also a composite of Pre Crisis to Modern Age?Edit: also, 7.3e22kg is...not 73million tons. That's like the Three Gorges Dam, lol.
Based on your sources, you've just proven the Moon is almost 2x a tectonic plate......
Even assuming my original calc wasn’t wrong. Lmao no I didn’t. A sextillion is one thousand million million million. My source on the tectonic plate suggested it would weigh 40 sextillion so I don’t get how you’d come off to that conclusion that my numbers are 2x going the other way.
Honestly the tectonic plate should be heavier as well.
40 sextillion would end up looking like this.
40,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 for the weight of an oceanic trench Compared to the answer I got for the moon. 8,100,000,000,000,001,024 tons.
Not to mention the moon thing being a shared feat on top of it at the end of the day.
I agree in terms of physicals Superman outclasses Aquaman. All I was saying is he should be capable of fighting Supes in the same manner Diana is if not greater especially underwater. If you want to call that plot I’d agree, cause with his speed showings and strength showings he should be able to end the fight fast. If he fights how he typically does Aquaman could TP
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Even assuming my original calc wasn’t wrong. Lmao no I didn’t. A sextillion is one thousand million million million. My source on the tectonic plate suggested it would weigh 40 sextillion so I don’t get how you’d come off to that conclusion that my numbers are 2x going the other way.Honestly the tectonic plate should be heavier as well.
Simple.
Your tectonic plate source said a plate was about 40.7 x 10^21 kg, or another way to write it is 4.1 x 10^22kg.
The moon is 7.3 x 10^22 kg. So nearly 2x a tectonic plate (ok, more like 1.78x but I eyeballed it).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Simple.Your tectonic plate source said a plate was about 40.7 x 10^21 kg, or another way to write it is 4.1 x 10^22kg.
The moon is 7.3 x 10^22 kg. So nearly 2x a tectonic plate (ok, more like 1.78x but I eyeballed it).
I’ll concede on that point with the trench being greater. Nonetheless shared feat and there’s still the stopping a force that destroyed the biggest continent to have existed.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
The whole EARTH itself only has a mass of 6 sextillion tons lol.Divide that by 81 and you have the moon's mass.
You’re aware a sextillion is 21 zeros right?
https://coolcosmos.ipac.caltech.edu/ask/61-How-much-does-Earth-weigh-and-how-is-this-measured-
Earth is greater in weight than 6 sextillion