Originally posted by -Pr-
Tell me, how is Aquaman going to sneak up on Superman? Or be fast enough to do so?Telepathy would be great, if Superman didn't have feat after feat after feat of resisting people above Arthur's level (which is, to be fair, a lot higher than most people give it credit for).
I mean, you can count the future possibilities if you want. I don't.
I'll offer one correction. If Aquaman did run him through with the trident, then yeah, that could really ruin Superman's day. But that's not as likely as the number of things Superman can do. So I'll change "means" to "likely opportunity".
I didn’t say he was going to, I said if he could. But if he had prep and gear there’s the globe of transportation, Future Aquaman also did it in that Hitch JL run and in Throne of Atlantis he zipped past Diana and Batman to hit Superman away. So it’s not even unlikely in the pages of a comic.
He also has showings of getting TP’d by people who Aquaman couldn’t be TP’d by showing Aquaman’s mental defense so it’s honestly up in the air. Aquaman’s tp also isn’t traditional. Stuff like trapping people in their own mind or giving them seizures isn’t a matter of mental willpower or fortitude.
The future possibility happen in a canon timeline comic as in Rebirth. The version of Aquaman was just a future possibility. Superman wasn’t however.
And I agree on the physical stats being what they are just the opportunity to get a win on a battle forum sounds unlikely. Superman being in character I could see an argument made for Aquaman however.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean,if we're bringing PC Arthur's feats, then weshould also have PC Superman's feats.....
I don’t see where I’m arguing against restricting Superman’s feats. You’re legit battling against yourself at this point inferring stuff I didn’t.
I mean even then there’s stuff like Superman being taking out by fodder electrical weapons in a Justice League title or being overpowered and rescued by Aquaman by some sea serpent in his own Man of Steel comic. Given how this forum argues though I’d imagine we’d ignore all that and focus on their higher showings which I agree Superman physically outstats Aquaman if scaling isn’t allowed.
Qué?
I was referring back to my post on page 2 or so as well, which no one replied to.
I'm just pointing out that you seem to think PC Aquaman would have the feats to beat Supes, based on AMs high end feats - but PC Supes would absolutely run a train on PC Aquaman if we used both sides' high end feats.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I’m starting to see where I was messing up with the numbers lol, but it would be octillion gram and probably sextillion in mass. Mass isn’t weight though. The formula for weight is mass x gravity. Gravity can be changed depending on position of the planet in the solar system, Galaxy. Mass would always stay the same because it’s how much space the object is taking up.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I didn’t say he was going to, I said if he could. But if he had prep and gear there’s the globe of transportation, Future Aquaman also did it in that Hitch JL run and in Throne of Atlantis he zipped past Diana and Batman to hit Superman away. So it’s not even unlikely in the pages of a comic.He also has showings of getting TP’d by people who Aquaman couldn’t be TP’d by showing Aquaman’s mental defense so it’s honestly up in the air. Aquaman’s tp also isn’t traditional. Stuff like trapping people in their own mind or giving them seizures isn’t a matter of mental willpower or fortitude.
The future possibility happen in a canon timeline comic as in Rebirth. The version of Aquaman was just a future possibility. Superman wasn’t however.
And I agree on the physical stats being what they are just the opportunity to get a win on a battle forum sounds unlikely. Superman being in character I could see an argument made for Aquaman however.
I don't mind you using the future stuff, it's just not relevant to me in the context of this fight is all. It could very well give him an advantage, but in most fights he's not going to have it, is my issue.
Aquaman is exceptionally mentally strong, yes. I've no doubt about that. But that doesn't translate to offence as easily as 1:1. Not always anyway imo.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I don’t see where I’m arguing against restricting Superman’s feats. You’re legit battling against yourself at this point inferring stuff I didn’t.I mean even then there’s stuff like Superman being taking out by fodder electrical weapons in a Justice League title or being overpowered and rescued by Aquaman by some sea serpent in his own Man of Steel comic. Given how this forum argues though I’d imagine we’d ignore all that and focus on their higher showings which I agree Superman physically outstats Aquaman if scaling isn’t allowed.
If? How? There no way, anywhere aquaman physically comes close to Superman. They are in completely different tiers. If you want to scale up aquaman who do you scale up Superman with? Presence?
Originally posted by Diesldude
If? How? There no way, anywhere aquaman physically comes close to Superman. They are in completely different tiers. If you want to scale up aquaman who do you scale up Superman with? Presence?
Definitely agree Superman’s high ends are way above Aquaman’s high ends. I’d honestly argue the only way this is fair/competitive if you argue for Aquaman via scaling and his better showings. While Superman operates where he consistently operates at.
The Superman that holds black holes in his hand and travels through them would stomp going off personal feats. The one that struggles to remain conscious in the Earth’s core and allows himself to get knocked out by Ocean Master would struggle in a underwater fight with Aquaman. Aquaman’s win scenario basically is in a story driven fight. He has powers, tools and abilities that could allow him to win but physically he shouldn’t I definitely agree on that.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Definitely agree Superman’s high ends are way above Aquaman’s high ends. I’d honestly argue the only way this is fair/competitive if you argue for Aquaman via scaling and his better showings. While Superman operates where he consistently operates at.The Superman that holds black holes in his hand and travels through them would stomp going off personal feats. The one that struggles to remain conscious in the Earth’s core and allows himself to get knocked out by Ocean Master would struggle in a underwater fight with Aquaman. Aquaman’s win scenario basically is in a story driven fight. He has powers, tools and abilities that could allow him to win but physically he shouldn’t I definitely agree on that.
Think I'm getting what you're trying to say here.
Yeah, Supes fluctuates a lot. His performance is as uber or as poor as writers need them to be, even on land Arthur / Mera did way better than anyone would expect... because that's how Clark operates.
One day, he will get a whole tractor inserted in his anus by Frankenstein.
Other day, he will eat Spectre, Lucifer and Presence and have sex with Abhi's war elephant, resulting in Kryptonian Elephants being born and conquering our galaxy.
I feel like all characters are going to range in power due to plot but yeah Superman seems to operate on a vary of tiers. With explanations like holding back, limiters and at the end of the day it’s Superman who needs to the save the day, multiverse, earth.
I was surprised he didn’t end up giving Dr. Manhattan a beat down in Doomsday Clock. Would of been really entertaining on top of the fact of Manhattan dropping the GLC and a extremely large roster of the League