Immigration census and shifting of congressional seats

Started by cdtm6 pages

Immigration census and shifting of congressional seats

After reviewing Joe Biden's first 17 executive orders since he took office, I was curious about the implications behind the reversal of Donald Trumps executive order to not count undocumented immigrants in census's.

https://cis.org/Report/Impact-Legal-and-Illegal-Immigration-Apportionment-Seats-US-House-Representatives-2020

Under current policy all persons — not just citizens — are included in the population count when apportioning seats to states in the U.S. House of Representatives and for votes in the Electoral College, which is based on House seats. Although we focus on the next census in 2020, the impact of immigration has been building for decades as the number of people settling in the country has increased dramatically. This report examines the cumulative impact of immigration, both legal and illegal, on the apportionment of House seats; this is not an analysis of the impact of immigration only since the previous census. Apportionment is a zero-sum system; by adding more population to some states rather than others, immigration will continue to significantly redistribute political power in Washington.

Among the findings:

The 2020 census will show that the presence of all immigrants (naturalized citizens, legal residents, and illegal aliens) and their U.S.-born minor children is responsible for a shift of 26 House seats. This is the cumulative impact of immigration, not the change from the previous census.
To put this number in perspective, changing the party of 21 members of the current Congress would flip the majority in the U.S. House. The 26 seats represent the effect of all immigrants and their children 17 years of age and younger, and is not the change from one census to another.
Ohio will have three fewer seats in 2020 than it otherwise would have had but for the presence of all immigrants and their minor children in other states. Michigan and Pennsylvania will have two fewer; and Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Utah, West Virginia, and Wisconsin will each have one fewer seat. California will have 11 more seats in 2020 than it otherwise would have; New York and Texas will have four more seats each; Florida will have three more seats; New Jersey will have two more seats; and Illinois and Massachusetts will each have one additional seat.
Of the 26 seats that will be lost, 24 are from states that voted for Donald Trump in 2016. Of states that will gain House seats because of immigration, 19 seats will go to the solidly Democratic states of California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Illinois. Texas is the only solidly Republican state that gains, while Florida is a swing state.
Doing the same calculation, but counting only immigrants themselves (naturalized citizens, legal permanent residents, guestworkers, foreign students and illegal aliens), but not their U.S.-born minor children, will redistribute 18 seats in the House in 2020. Ohio will have two fewer seats than it otherwise would have had but for the presence of immigrants in other states. Alabama, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia will each have one fewer seat. California will have seven more seats in 2020 than it otherwise would. New York and Florida will have three more each; Texas and New Jersey will have two more seats; and Illinois will have one more seat.
Looking at non-citizens and their U.S.-born minor children redistributes 10 seats, with Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, Idaho, Minnesota, Missouri, West Virginia, Tennessee, Pennsylvania, and Rhode Island each having one fewer seat. California will have four more seats than it otherwise would have; Texas will have three more seats; and New York, Florida, and New Jersey will have one additional seat each.
Looking at only non-citizens (legal residents and illegal immigrants) redistributes eight seats, with Ohio, Michigan, Missouri, Minnesota, Alabama, Idaho, West Virginia, and Rhode Island each having one fewer seat in 2020 due to the presence of non-citizens in other states. California will have three additional seats; Texas will have two more seats; and Florida, New Jersey, and New York will each have one more seat.
Illegal immigrants and their U.S.-born minor children will redistribute five seats in 2020, with Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, Minnesota, and West Virginia each losing one seat in 2020 that they otherwise would have had. California and Texas will each have two additional seats, and New York will have one additional seat.
Illegal immigrants alone in the 2020 will redistribute three seats, with Ohio, Alabama, and Minnesota each having one fewer seat than they otherwise would have had, while California, New York, and Texas will have one additional seat.

So all immigrants, legal and undocumented, account for 26 seats. 24 from states that Donald Trump lost.

California gains 11 more seats. New York and Texas get four seats. Florida gets 3 seats.

I believe this is a projection at the time, unsure what the actual outcome was.

Undocumented immigrants alone gives California four more seats. A lot of other states lose seats because of the new proportions in other states from immigration (If I'm reading this right)

Some red states do seem to benefit, but blue seem to have a distinct advantage.

Its no wonder the Democrats established themselves as the party of immigrants, considering you want all the seats you can get.

Tl;dr

So Democrats are once again willing to throw Americans under the bus to cater to Illegals.

No surprise here.

Originally posted by Klaw
So Democrats are once again willing to throw Americans under the bus to cater to Illegals.

No surprise here.

Leftists can't help it. It's genetic.

This is a presentation explaining the genetic component of politics.

It's a 3 part video that someone edited into one video, so it is 5 and a half hours, but it is well worth the watch.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/eAicvlOyIBaE/

Originally posted by cdtm
After reviewing Joe Biden's first 17 executive orders since he took office, I was curious about the implications behind the reversal of Donald Trumps executive order to [b]not count undocumented immigrants in census's.

https://cis.org/Report/Impact-Legal-and-Illegal-Immigration-Apportionment-Seats-US-House-Representatives-2020

So all immigrants, legal and undocumented, account for 26 seats. 24 from states that Donald Trump lost.

California gains 11 more seats. New York and Texas get four seats. Florida gets 3 seats.

I believe this is a projection at the time, unsure what the actual outcome was.

Undocumented immigrants alone gives California four more seats. A lot of other states lose seats because of the new proportions in other states from immigration (If I'm reading this right)

Some red states do seem to benefit, but blue seem to have a distinct advantage.

Its no wonder the Democrats established themselves as the party of immigrants, considering you want all the seats you can get. [/B]

So much for the Enumeration Clause of the Constitution, amirite?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
So much for the Enumeration Clause of the Constitution, amirite?

I'm not judging it either way. I was simply curious about what it meant.

Immigration and undocumented immigration equal seats in congress, which effects presidential elections. This suggests ulterior motives for a party supporting or condemning immigration, outside of the public talking points we get.

Originally posted by cdtm
I'm not judging it either way. I was simply curious about what it meant.

Immigration and undocumented immigration equal seats in congress, which effects presidential elections. This suggests ulterior motives for a party supporting or condemning immigration, outside of the public talking points we get.

No, allocations and apportionments are made by resident population, according to the consitution and federal law, full stop. Citizenship and immigration status are totally irrelevant. That does not suggest anything. It is you, and your right-wing conspiratorial mindset, ascribing motivations where there are none.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
No, allocations and apportionments are made by resident population, according to the consitution and federal law, full stop. Citizenship and immigration status are totally irrelevant. That does not suggest anything. It is you, and your right-wing conspiratorial mindset, ascribing motivations where there are none.

There isn't really anything in your disgreement that debunks my "right wing conspiracy theory" though. Calling immigration status irrelevant and citing laws doesn't stop immigration from shaping census statistics.

But it wasn't my intention to wage an argument.

Schrodinger's Latino immigrants. Both voting Democrat only whilst simultaneously voting Republican in increasing numbers at the last election.

Originally posted by cdtm
There isn't really anything in your disgreement that debunks my "right wing conspiracy theory" though. Calling immigration status irrelevant and citing laws doesn't stop immigration from shaping census statistics.

But it wasn't my intention to wage an argument.

No one suggested that changing populations do not affect allocations and appropriations. What is a conspiracy is the notion that political parties are manipulating policies to change allocations and appropriations in their favor. This entire thread starts with A, and immediately jumps to Z with no evidence. That is why it is a conspiracy.

Wow, why is kmc such a left wing echo chamber and full of Marxist philosophy with threads like this!

Originally posted by Blakemore
Wow, why is kmc such a left wing echo chamber and full of Marxist philosophy with threads like this!

I'm a life long Democrat, if LoneRangr doesn't like my leftist thinking that's his problem. 👆

It’s the whole idea that everyone here is literally Stalin. It’s stupid!

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Schrodinger's Latino immigrants. Both voting Democrat only whilst simultaneously voting Republican in increasing numbers at the last election.

Which ties into my earlier observation about Hispanics being overlooked by the media.

I asked that question on Quora, and a responder essentially pointed out they aren't reliable voters for Democrats. But in his own words.

He used the term "Hispanics have a problem related to whites". I asked if he meant many Hispanics can pass as white, and he said "Well, that's one reason." Meaning not the reason he was thinking of.

The implication I got was an assumption that Republicans are considered the party of white bigots, and Hispanics are willing to vote for white bigots, and so the left media is essentially ignoring them.

If that isn't what he meant, I'm not sure how many other problems Hispanics can possibly have related to white people.

Originally posted by Blakemore
Wow, why is kmc such a left wing echo chamber and full of Marxist philosophy with threads like this!

I believe you.

This was something I brought up ages ago, unrestricted immigrants on the border impact elections, it's a simple fact population increases representation in the house.

Originally posted by snowdragon
This was something I brought up ages ago, unrestricted immigrants on the border impact elections, it's a simple fact population increases representation in the house.

That would explain the hostile response to the query.

I actually didn't take my cue from reading another article or post, and was merely curious over why Trump would make such an order, and why Biden would immediately reverse it. So I looked into it.

Politifact has a pretty funny defense of immigration affecting seats. They put up a false claim that California has 6 seats from a recent census. Politifact set the record straight that this is complete bs.

They didn't get 6 seats. They got 2-4 seats.

😂

Originally posted by Klaw
So Democrats are once again willing to throw Americans under the bus to cater to Illegals.

No surprise here.

Why do you have a problem with immigrants?

Originally posted by truejedi
Why do you have a problem with immigrants?
I think we know 😖hifty:

Originally posted by truejedi
Why do you have a problem with immigrants?

How did you get that I have a problem with Immigrants from me condemning Illegals?