Originally posted by Robtard
Because everyone knows that if you don't count the undocumented immigrants, they don't really exist and therefore don't factor in real life.
At the federal lvl that should be true in the sense of seats in the house but how they are representated locally more than likely doesn't ignore them, they are ppl and do get voices.
Originally posted by Robtard
Yet they have the same needs like everyone else and therefore should be counted in the census.
Ok, Well if you aren't American than why should you be represented at the federal lvl regarding US issues?
To be fair many issues are handled locally with budgets etc and they can vote at that lvl.
I don't know, and that's a rather wide net you're casting there. Guess I'd have to go ask every undocumented immigrant. Or I can continue to laugh at the bad faith question.
Point is: They're people; they should be counted in the census. The Constitution dictates that the number of House Representatives is dictated by a state's population, also dictates limits therein.
Originally posted by Robtard
I don't know, and that's a rather wide net you're casting there. Guess I'd have to go ask every undocumented immigrant. Or I can laugh at the bad faith question.Point is: They're people; they should be counted in the census. The Constitution dictates that the number of House Representatives is dictated by a state's population, also dictates limits therein.
Frankly you aren't listening to half my question in an attempt to be correct. This happened earlier.
No you don't you just literally have to live in a community in the USA and realize illegal immigrants have a voice locally.
Awesome, I am glad undocumented immigrants have a "voice locally".
That has nothing to do with the census and the need for them to be counted, as they're still people like everyone else, undocumented or not. See Article I, Section II of the Constitution when in comes to House Representatives and numbers and limits therein.
You seem to think they should not be counted in the census? Why?
Originally posted by Robtard
Awesome, I am glad undocumented immigrants have a "voice locally".That has nothing to do with the census and the need for them to be counted, as they're still people like everyone else, undocumented or not. See Article I, Section II of the Constitution when in comes to House Representatives and numbers and limits therein.
You seem to think they should not be counted in the census? Why?
Did they amend that to not include all the things about black people that shouldn't be included?
Originally posted by Robtard
That would be the 15th Amendment, 1870. But states adopted local laws to limit Black people from voting, which were around until 1965 with the passing of the Voting Rights Act.
Forgive me, I just remembered in passing an episode of the West Wing that dealt with the census and how using article 1 section 2 was terrible because it didn't consider a black person any more than 3/5 of a person. And how using that article as a defence was a bad thing. and that sample sizes were good things.
But that was a TV show and this is the internet so **** it, I dunno.
Originally posted by Robtard
Awesome, I am glad undocumented immigrants have a "voice locally".That has nothing to do with the census and the need for them to be counted, as they're still people like everyone else, undocumented or not. See Article I, Section II of the Constitution when in comes to House Representatives and numbers and limits therein.
You seem to think they should not be counted in the census? Why?
Well for federal things they aren't citizens that isn't rocket science, if I'm wrong put them on the books.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Forgive me, I just remembered in passing an episode of the West Wing that dealt with the census and how using article 1 section 2 was terrible because it didn't consider a black person any more than 3/5 of a person. And how using that article as a defence was a bad thing. and that sample sizes were good things.But that was a TV show and this is the internet so **** it, I dunno.
That's what the 15th Amendment is for, it amended: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."
Doesn't mean every aspect of Article I Section II was done away with or was shit to begin with. The racist shit about slaves, Black people and "Indians", yeah, that needed to go and it did.