Immigration census and shifting of congressional seats

Originally posted by Robtard
Yet they're still people and should be counted in the census, as we count "residents".

If a home is on fire, the firefighters do not ask if it is occupied by citizens or non-citizens. They do not evacuate the citizens, and leave the non-citizens to burn. It is almost as if resources need to be allocated to the local fire department, so they can adequately respond to fires in the homes of all residents. Gee, I wonder if that has something to do with why the constitution and federal laws require the census to count all residents, and not just citizens?

Originally posted by snowdragon
Yeah I literally said they belong in their communities yet a country defines itself separately. Now we can get into the salad bowl or stew concept if you want.

The age an immigrant comes over is a large factor, as a 3year old is more like to assimilate fully into American culture than a 30 year old. Other factors as well, such as their birth culture, schooling, home-life and parents factor in as well.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If a home is on fire, the firefighters do not ask if it is occupied by citizens or non-citizens. They do not evacuate the citizens, and leave the non-citizens to burn. It is almost as if resources need to be allocated to the local fire department, so they can adequately respond to fires in the homes of all residents. Gee, I wonder if that has something to do with why the constitution and federal laws require the census to count all residents, and not just citizens?

Probably why they are funded locally, just what I said and many have volunteers.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
If a home is on fire, the firefighters do not ask if it is occupied by citizens or non-citizens. They do not evacuate the citizens, and leave the non-citizens to burn. It is almost as if resources need to be allocated to the local fire department, so they can adequately respond to fires in the homes of all residents. Gee, I wonder if that has something to do with why the constitution and federal laws require the census to count all residents, and not just citizens?

Yup

Originally posted by Robtard
It's both, actually, some completely assimilate into American culture, other's retain their cultural identity, while still being Americans.

The age an immigrant comes over is a large factor, as a 3year old is more like to assimilate fully into American culture than a 30 year old. Other factors as well, such as their birth culture, schooling, home-life and parents factor in as well.

And that is true but you can contribute locally if you are illegal and still not contribute federally and be viable as a person.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Probably why they are funded locally, just what I said and many have volunteers.

You know that local governments receive allocations and apportionments from the federal government, right? Their entire budgets do not come from local taxes, they receive federal funds.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You know that local governments receive allocations and apportionments from the federal government, right? Their entire budgets do not come from local taxes, they receive federal funds.

Sure it's based on population, so what does that change in the discussion?

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
You know that local governments receive allocations and apportionments from the federal government, right? Their entire budgets do not come from local taxes, they receive federal funds.

Originally posted by snowdragon
And that is true but you can contribute locally if you are illegal and still not contribute federally and be viable as a person.

Since "Federal" seems to be your point of contention: Undocumented immigrants can (and do) contribute federally as well. eg Some of them pay into Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, yet they will not be able to claim those benefits.

Originally posted by Robtard
Since "Federal" seems to be your point of contention: Undocumented immigrants can (and do) contribute federally as well. eg Some of them pay into Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, yet they will not be able to claim those benefits.

Don't be so pedantic it includes all things water, school, roads etc

Originally posted by snowdragon
Don't be so pedantic it includes all things water, school, roads etc

It's like you're trying to find any means to keep your failed argument afloat.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's like you're trying to find any means to keep your failed argument afloat.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's what the 15th Amendment is for, it amended: "The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

Doesn't mean every aspect of Article I Section II was done away with or was shit to begin with. The racist shit about slaves, Black people and "Indians", yeah, that needed to go and it did.

Okay, cool.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's like you're trying to find any means to keep your failed argument afloat.

So I said they get local representation not federal representation and that is somehow a fail. I'll chaulk this up to another "win" without evidence.

Snow is pretty Left, overall.

Originally posted by snowdragon
So I said they get local representation not federal representation and that is somehow a fail. I'll chaulk this up to another "win" without evidence.

I understand that is what you want to happen. But that's not how the census works, we count residents to get a total population count, not just citizens and as explained multiple times, the number of House Representatives is dictated by population.

edit: Look, I think it's bullshit that each state gets two Senators, when California and Texas have huge populations and Wyoming and Vermont have tiny, comparatively speaking. But it is what it is.

Originally posted by Scribble
Snow is pretty Left, overall.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Nah. 🙂

short and sweet. That's often the best response to gaslighting attempts.

Originally posted by Bashar Teg
short and sweet. That's often the best response to gaslighting attempts.

lmao