Originally posted by carver9
Or Wonder Woman is just that good.
Hella inconsistent if we give her the benefit of the doubt.
Given Aquaman has over powered and broken out of her grip.
https://m.imgur.com/qsahV1s
Ocean Master has trapped her in hydrokinesis that Superman had to rescue from.
https://m.imgur.com/cgDMmnj
The same Ocean Master later oneshotted her with lightning
https://m.imgur.com/O7qSbZb
There was also the creatures (Giant-Born) in Aquaman Annual 2 that Aquaman wanted to hold back against but Wonder Woman was suggesting they’d die if they did.
If you even compare her to Superman it gets worse. I think it’s weird suggesting because she did better against Shaggyman in her title where no other character really got seen doing anything against Shaggyman under a writer whose different from the previous Shaggyman instances is a bit weird. Especially when you have comparisons that could be made in the same issues of stories under the same writer. But that’s just my opinion on it I guess
Better than Wonder Woman? Not even close.
She fought Zod and Faora solo and was stomping them.
Fought the Justice League that was controlled by Amazo and was winning.
Defeated God Superman
Was stomping Lantern.
Treated Supergirl like fodder.
Fought and stalemated Doomsday amped Superman
Defeated Cheetah. Same issue, Cheetah stomped the JLA. Blitzed Flash and took out Superman.
There's more but Aquaman isn't near her in power if we add in New 52 showings.
Stomps Metallo...
Beating up Magog...
https://i.imgur.com/5yFzYos.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/EnhFkUP.jpg
Let's also not forget that she wrecked Grail.
Vs Darkseid and after this, she felt as if she could have won...
https://comicnewbies.com/2019/02/03/wonder-woman-vs-darkseid-wonder-woman-vol-5-44/amp/
So she fought a bunch of people Aquaman didn’t fight is your argument?
In comparison she got stalemated three different times by Aquaman.
Beaten by Ocean Master who Aquaman beat.
Got trapped by Mera’s hydrokinesis who was overpowered in a element struggle against Atlan who Aquaman also beat.
Grail is pretty much a mid-tier her only good showings are with prep.
New52 Aquaman never fought Supergirl, Zod or Faora so it’s a hollow mention..
That same issue with Cheetah vs the JL you mentioned ended with Aquaman restraining Cheetah….
If you’re going to make an argument for Diana. It should atleast make sense to have Aquaman involved in said argument in some manner. Than saying well she beat so and so.. who Aquaman never fought.
Context to all of the fights Diana had with Aquaman.
I mentioned those showings because it's common sense Aquaman wouldn't do as good. Grail only showing of being outright dominated is by Diana. Everyone else, she stomped.
Are you implying if Ocean Master and Mera would've used the same attack on Aquaman that they used against Diana and Superman, Aquaman would've broken free?
Aquaman isn't beating Supergirl, especially an amped Supergirl. Aquaman isn't stalrmating Darkseid. Aquaman isn't stomping Zod and Faora at the same time in the same comic where they stomped Superman. Aquaman isn't wrecking Magog. He isn't beating God Superman. He isn't stalemating Doomsday amped Superman. He isn't beating Orion. Wrecking Lantern. Treating Metallo like fodder. This is clear. They don't need to be there at the same time for both of us to know this. This is why Superman is above Author. Even though they haven't fought the same people, it's clear Superman is his superior and yes, Superman and Author have fought and Aquaman did well. It's clear that Hulk is far above Aurthor in strength and power. Of course they haven't fought the same people but evidence supports Hulk being above him physically ending with Aquaman getting wrecked. They don't need to fight the same people or be in the same scenario for this to be facts, lol.
Originally posted by carver9
Context to all of the fights Diana had with Aquaman.I mentioned those showings because it's common sense Aquaman wouldn't do as good. Grail only showing of being outright dominated is by Diana. Everyone else, she stomped.
Are you implying if Ocean Master and Mera would've used the same attack on Aquaman that they used against Diana and Superman, Aquaman would've broken free?
Aquaman isn't beating Supergirl, especially an amped Supergirl. Aquaman isn't stalrmating Darkseid. Aquaman isn't stomping Zod and Faora at the same time in the same comic where they stomped Superman. Aquaman isn't wrecking Magog. He isn't beating God Superman. He isn't stalemating Doomsday amped Superman. He isn't beating Orion. Wrecking Lantern. Treating Metallo like fodder. This is clear. They don't need to be there at the same time for both of us to know this. This is why Superman is above Author. Even though they haven't fought the same people, it's clear Superman is his superior and yes, Superman and Author have fought and Aquaman did well. It's clear that Hulk is far above Aurthor in strength and power. Of course they haven't fought the same people but evidence supports Hulk being above him physically ending with Aquaman getting wrecked. They don't need to fight the same people or be in the same scenario for this to be facts, lol.
I’ll do you one better I’ll give you issue numbers…
Aquaman Annual 2 under the mind control of Caelana. Diana thinks Aquaman is invading the surface and admits she didn’t have much trust in him after Throne of Atlantis. Their both enraged and scuffle. Diana tries to put him in a headlock he breaks out of it… weird for a character whose physically weaker to break out of a hold from someone stronger but I digress…
Justice League Iss 4 under Grodd’s mind control Diana thinks she’s fighting Cheetah. Aquaman thinks he’s fighting Black Manta. They fight for the most part off panel but stalemate nonetheless.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/MW9HJHq
Justice League Iss 44-45 they’re both enraged by the Spectre. Aquaman is the only one who seemingly snaps out of it during their fight and the fight ends with Wonder Woman using the bolt of Zeus and Aquaman countering with wind. Their clash ends up knocking them and the rest of the league on their asses.
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/HKsutW9
Aquaman was tanking Ocean Master’s lightning so yeah. I would make that Implication. It’s practically shown to us lol… you’re using wonky ass scaling off characters Aquaman didn’t fight to say Wonder Woman is stronger but there’s an issue when I actually use direct showings against characters they both fought?
Diana also got entrapped by Ocean Master’s hydrokinesis the same hydrokinesis Aquaman was powering through later in the story… make of that as you will…
Grail isn’t as strong as you’re making her out to be… she prepped against the entire league. Shazam legit tossed her aside and then made the mistake of turning his back to her and she stabbed him. She brought gear that isn’t standard to counter the Lanterns… Flash she ambushed at the start of it.. Batman is irrelevant and the version of Cyborg she beat was a mid-Tier at the time.. Superman and Aquaman weren’t even present… you’re talking about context and trying to throw around the idea Grail stomped the League which is context heavy..
The Darkseid instance had context as well.. given Diana was helped by her father Zeus which is some pretty heavy context, Darkseid’s power was drawn from another source so it wasn’t even the same powered Darkseid that the League had originally fought. And Diana beat Darkseid by the power of love…. BS. This same Darkseid also struggled with Cyborg in Odyssey…
What strength feats does N52 Diana have that compare to stopping the force of an attack that destroyed the biggest continent on the planet?
What about a feat for N52 Diana to match Aquaman pushing down a tectonic plate? Your logic changes thread to thread I swear man… your over here talking about not scaling and personal feats in one thread and in the next your scaling off characters who don’t even make sense to scale off…
In regards to Speed.. Aquaman was keeping up with Wonder Woman who thought she was fighting Cheetah..
On top of the fact that Aquaman also blitzed Wonder Woman in Throne of Atlantis before she could properly subdue him with her lasso.
Not to mention a guidebook makes this statement in regards to Aquaman’s abilities.
Which honestly helps Wonder Woman more because her personal feats aren’t good for a high tier and she needs to rely more on scaling..
