Originally posted by ilikecomics
And Mussolini used the aesthetic of fascism for fascism ?Where do you get these cute little platitudes ?
Edit: do you read the ass hairs like tea leaves and just say what they tell you ?
All of our credentials cannot be, "Trust me, I am an expert, I work in a book store."
Originally posted by ilikecomics
Prisons are filled with violent rapists and murderers, you think it's stupid to ask if it's appropriate for non violent drug offenders to be in the same box as these people ?Hmmm says alot about your ethics.
Keep up that smug bs
I know a lot of conservatives (like Mark Dice, for instance) think that we need even more prisons than we have now but I strongly disagree with those people.
In fact, I think we should do away with prisons all-together.
We should keep different levels of punishment short and simple as the Bible does:
You murder or rape someone? Execution (preferably public)
You sexually molest a little child? Castration.
You steal someone's car and their wallet? 40 or more lashes (and that shit really hurts; people would think twice before doing it again but if they do then double the number of lashes each time they do it. If they still never seem to chang their behavior then perhaps death).
You just steal a piece of food from the store because you are starving? Just a stern warning not to do it again. Do it repeatedly then either lashes or perhaps even get your hand cut off, unless you're just a child then you suffer no punishment other perhaps being banned from that place of business. An adult though has no reason to be doing it repeatedly. Even if they can't find a job (assuming they are actually trying) there are food banks they could visit.
Adultery? At least 40 lashes, doubled each time they do it again. And that is being much more lenient than the punishment the Old Testament ordains which is death.
Terrorist activity like blowing up a shopping mall or gunning down a bunch of people? Public execution, obviously.
Not gonna go thru all the crime and wrongs/evil people commit and the punishments that I think that would fit the crimed because it'd take too long. My point is do away with prisons and keep punishment short and simple. People should not be paying taxes to house criminal pieces of shit and pay for their 3 meals a day and their cable tv. Do away with prisons entirely and we'd save a shit load of money.
Of course my suggestions of punishments above are just that-- suggestions. People could vote on what the appropriate punishment is to fit the crimes.
Originally posted by ilikecomicsWow you jumped on the straw man fallacy real quick.
I hope you're not confusing the distaste people, who have escaped from totalitarian governments, have towards the orwellian manipulation of language with antipathy for the gay community.And let's assume nk defectors unanimously hate gays, should they not be saved from tyranny ?
I see you did it to Rob as well lol.
I never once said conservative refugees and defectors shouldn't be saved from tyranny nor did I imply it anywhere.
I simply pointed out that refugees/defectors from conservative states still tend to be conservative as well and carry those views.
For instance simply being LGBTQ as a refugee creates additional hardships while coming from these countries
https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/news/press/2021/5/60a22a434/un-high-commissioner-refugees-filippo-grandis-message-international-day.html
So I wouldn't be surprised a person from conservative state like NK would say some of tolerance taught in American universities is indoctrination. I'm also not surprised conservative groups have latched unto this person. She has basically become a real life Prager U narrator.
To believe that American colleges indoctrinate in the same manner as NK is patiently false though. In fact indoctrination at the college level is highly inefficient to begin with.
Real indoctrination in North Korea and America starts much earlier and conservatives want to turn a blind eye to it. The closest thing to NK tactics we have in the American education system is actually conservatism.
It's forcing kids to pledge themselves to the nation of America. It's forcing Christianity to be taught as the true religion in school through forcing their god into school sanctioned prayer/pledges. It's forcing their religious views on LGBTQ rights to be enforced by schools as well. It's wanting to teach Creationism alongside evolution.
It's people getting angry when other cultures like Islam are taught in school. It's people wanting American exceptionalism/revision taught in school instead of the truth. As famous parent said, "I want school teach my child the worst day in America is still better than the best day in any other country".
It's conservatives wanting the Civil War to be defined as a war of states' rights instead of the factual statement of it being a war for a state's right to allow humans to own other humans.
And I've seen that real North Korea style indoctrination first hand in many states here in the U.S.
That's the real stuff that leads to a state like North Korea not what the latest minority conservative robot the conservatives groups like is spewing.
Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
I know a lot of conservatives (like Mark Dice, for instance) think that we need even more prisons than we have now but I strongly disagree with those people.In fact, I think we should do away with prisons all-together.
We should keep different levels of punishment short and simple as the Bible does:
You murder or rape someone? Execution (preferably public)
You sexually molest a little child? Castration.
You steal someone's car and their wallet? 40 or more lashes (and that shit really hurts; people would think twice before doing it again but if they do then double the number of lashes each time they do it. If they still never seem to chang their behavior then perhaps death).
You just steal a piece of food from the store because you are starving? Just a stern warning not to do it again. Do it repeatedly then either lashes or perhaps even get your hand cut off, unless you're just a child then you suffer no punishment other perhaps being banned from that place of business. An adult though has no reason to be doing it repeatedly. Even if they can't find a job (assuming they are actually trying) there are food banks they could visit.
Adultery? At least 40 lashes, doubled each time they do it again. And that is being much more lenient than the punishment the Old Testament ordains which is death.
Terrorist activity like blowing up a shopping mall or gunning down a bunch of people? Public execution, obviously.
Not gonna go thru all the crime and wrongs/evil people commit and the punishments that I think that would fit the crimed because it'd take too long. My point is do away with prisons and keep punishment short and simple. People should not be paying taxes to house criminal pieces of shit and pay for their 3 meals a day and their cable tv. Do away with prisons entirely and we'd save a shit load of money.
Of course my suggestions of punishments above are just that-- suggestions. People could vote on what the appropriate punishment is to fit the crimes.
I actually agree with this, my reasoning just isn't biblically based.
It's retributive justice vs. rehabilitative.
In a natural order the victim is the focus of restitution, not the state.
Originally posted by Newjak
Wow you jumped on the straw man fallacy real quick.I see you did it to Rob as well lol.
I never once said conservative refugees and defectors shouldn't be saved from tyranny nor did I imply it anywhere.
I simply pointed out that refugees/defectors from conservative states still tend to be conservative as well and carry those views.
For instance simply being LGBTQ as a refugee creates additional hardships while coming from these countries
https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/news/press/2021/5/60a22a434/un-high-commissioner-refugees-filippo-grandis-message-international-day.htmlSo I wouldn't be surprised a person from conservative state like NK would say some of tolerance taught in American universities is indoctrination. I'm also not surprised conservative groups have latched unto this person. She has basically become a real life Prager U narrator.
To believe that American colleges indoctrinate in the same manner as NK is patiently false though. In fact indoctrination at the college level is highly inefficient to begin with.
Real indoctrination in North Korea and America starts much earlier and conservatives want to turn a blind eye to it. The closest thing to NK tactics we have in the American education system is actually conservatism.
It's forcing kids to pledge themselves to the nation of America. It's forcing Christianity to be taught as the true religion in school through forcing their god into school sanctioned prayer/pledges. It's forcing their religious views on LGBTQ rights to be enforced by schools as well. It's wanting to teach Creationism alongside evolution.
It's people getting angry when other cultures like Islam are taught in school. It's people wanting American exceptionalism/revision taught in school instead of the truth. As famous parent said, "I want school teach my child the worst day in America is still better than the best day in any other country".
It's conservatives wanting the Civil War to be defined as a war of states' rights instead of the factual statement of it being a war for a state's right to allow humans to own other humans.
And I've seen that real North Korea style indoctrination first hand in many states here in the U.S.
That's the real stuff that leads to a state like North Korea not what the latest minority conservative robot the conservatives groups like is spewing.
I agree with this post alot more than I thought I would.
I don't like Brain washing kids anywhere, hence why I think the state should get out of education.
Originally posted by Newjak
Wow you jumped on the straw man fallacy real quick.I see you did it to Rob as well lol.
I never once said conservative refugees and defectors shouldn't be saved from tyranny nor did I imply it anywhere.
I simply pointed out that refugees/defectors from conservative states still tend to be conservative as well and carry those views.
For instance simply being LGBTQ as a refugee creates additional hardships while coming from these countries
https://www.unhcr.org/en-us/news/press/2021/5/60a22a434/un-high-commissioner-refugees-filippo-grandis-message-international-day.htmlSo I wouldn't be surprised a person from conservative state like NK would say some of tolerance taught in American universities is indoctrination. I'm also not surprised conservative groups have latched unto this person. She has basically become a real life Prager U narrator.
To believe that American colleges indoctrinate in the same manner as NK is patiently false though. In fact indoctrination at the college level is highly inefficient to begin with.
Real indoctrination in North Korea and America starts much earlier and conservatives want to turn a blind eye to it. The closest thing to NK tactics we have in the American education system is actually conservatism.
It's forcing kids to pledge themselves to the nation of America. It's forcing Christianity to be taught as the true religion in school through forcing their god into school sanctioned prayer/pledges. It's forcing their religious views on LGBTQ rights to be enforced by schools as well. It's wanting to teach Creationism alongside evolution.
It's people getting angry when other cultures like Islam are taught in school. It's people wanting American exceptionalism/revision taught in school instead of the truth. As famous parent said, "I want school teach my child the worst day in America is still better than the best day in any other country".
It's conservatives wanting the Civil War to be defined as a war of states' rights instead of the factual statement of it being a war for a state's right to allow humans to own other humans.
And I've seen that real North Korea style indoctrination first hand in many states here in the U.S.
That's the real stuff that leads to a state like North Korea not what the latest minority conservative robot the conservatives groups like is spewing.
Fallacies is mostly all he has to argue from, he's not worth the time when he does it.
Also, their argument isn't that American schools indoctrinate the same as NK colleges, their argument is that America does it on a much worse scale:
"Even North Korea is not this nuts," North Korean defector Yeonmi Park said of her experience at Columbia University. "North Korea was pretty crazy, but not this crazy." -snip
Originally posted by Robtard
Fallacies is mostly all he has to argue from, he's not worth the time when he does it.Also, their argument isn't that American schools indoctrinate the same as NK colleges, their argument is that America does it on a much worse scale:
"[b]Even North Korea is not this nuts,
" North Korean defector Yeonmi Park said of her experience at Columbia University. "North Korea was pretty crazy, but not this crazy." -snip [/B]
Are you familiar with all the instances of right wing speakers being attacked at universities ?
Or unable to speak at all ?
There's been quite a few examples.
You can also just look into things like college syllabus' that say activism is in the curriculum.
Universities are becoming hyper radicalized, luckily american culture isn't as dominated by the state as nk culture.... Yet
Originally posted by ilikecomicsIn North Korea those speakers would have been jailed and then possibly executed if they spoke out against Kim's regime 👆
Are you familiar with all the instances of right wing speakers being attacked at universities ?
Or unable to speak at all ?
There's been quite a few examples.You can also just look into things like college syllabus' that say activism is in the curriculum.
Universities are becoming hyper radicalized, luckily american culture isn't as dominated by the state as nk culture.... Yet
Originally posted by Klaw
Ann Coulter had to cancel a speech in Ottawa due to fears for her safety. "Tolerant" Liberal Canada.
That article is over ten years old. Some said she had changed her mind due to a financial dispute with the group hosting the event after the contract had been signed, so she cried "I don't feel safe!" as a means to break the contract while not being liable for failing in her commitments.
She's a scumbag of a person, but she's not stupid.
People should understand that being tolerant doesn't mean you should be tolerant of intolerance.
In fact if you are doing that you're allowing intolerance to become stronger because their views are less challenged and in some ways are given validity to it as well.
It's one of the leading reasons the "It's my beliefs" crowd started using it in a demeaning manner.
Originally posted by Robtard
In North Korea those speakers would have been jailed and then possibly executed if they spoke out against Kim's regime 👆
Right, because the larger cultural context.
Kim IL sung and his lineage have complete cultural hegemony - total top down control.
This is propped up and maintained socially - laterally - meaning the reason people can be publicly executed is because it's largely socially acceptable.
We are seeing a shift in this regard In america, which is why GoFundMes for the rioting deviants banked them a net gain for destroying the property of others.
Another 10 years and it will be equivalent to the cultural revolution in maoist china or Il jong's nk
Originally posted by Newjak
People should understand that being tolerant doesn't mean you should be tolerant of intolerance.In fact if you are doing that you're allowing intolerance to become stronger because their views are less challenged and in some ways are given validity to it as well.
It's one of the leading reasons the "It's my beliefs" crowd started using it in a demeaning manner.
Intolerance is great, violence isn't.