Originally posted by h1a8
Neither is Hulk, Loki, Thanos, or any character in which one can derive feats for Thor or Zod.
Except Thor is clearly =/> Hulk and Loki.
You bringing up Superman, a clearly more powerful character than Zod, is just to give DC characters the full benefit of the doubt on power levels, whilst continually lowballing Marvel characters with your own made up head canon.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Except Thor is clearly =/> Hulk and Loki.You bringing up Superman, a clearly more powerful character than Zod, is just to give DC characters the full benefit of the doubt on power levels, whilst continually lowballing Marvel characters with your own made up head canon.
that wasn't the comment. The stupid comment was about bringing up characters who aren't in the thread period.
Superman punched Zod a zillion times without any damage. I guess it's wrong to mention that since it would mean mentioning Superman
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Originally posted by h1a8
Superman punched Zod a zillion times without any damage. I guess it's wrong to mention that since it would mean mentioning Superman
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It's pointless to bring up because:
1. Superman was still growing in power.
2. Superman was likely holding back given how he screamed when he finally killed Zod, and begged him not to make him do that.
And what's your point bringing that up anyway? As if Thor hasn't taken hits from powerhouses.
And then you go off on a complete tangent bringing up Superman getting hit by a nuke 😬
Originally posted by carver9
Zillion?
I think he just means "a lot". I don't think he means Superman speed blitzed him or something.
But I can understand your skepticism when it comes to h1 and his fantasy version of super speed.
Originally posted by h1a8I gave feats. Zod being punched really hard without being injured. Thor being stabbed by a knife. Thor running away from aircraft bullets, etc.
Thor has also been punched really hard without being injured. You're going to need to show that Zod was actually punched harder. Also, please provide feats for Zod tanking any cutting attacks or tanking aircraft bullets better than we have from Thor.
Originally posted by Robtard
The lowballing of Thor here is just silly trolling, Thor's feats speak for themselves:Survived the exploding Bifrost without injury, was at ground zero
Survived the explosion at Sokovia without injury, was at ground zero
Tanked the "full force of a star" for couple minutes
Ah a picture (or a gif) speaks a thousand words 👆
Originally posted by FrothByte
Thor has also been punched really hard without being injured. You're going to need to show that Zod was actually punched harder. Also, please provide feats for Zod tanking any cutting attacks or tanking aircraft bullets better than we have from Thor.
Zod was punched multiple times farther than Thor was. Therefore he was hit harder. Zod was hit with a force so hard that it created a huge crater.
Force = mass x acceleration
Multiple Kryptonians were tanking bullets. Zod and Superman are physical peers. Superman
Thor has 0 cutting or bullet proof feats. I give him Loki level of bulletproof since he's roughly Loki's better physically (not way above though).
Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's pointless to bring up because:1. Superman was still growing in power.
2. Superman was likely holding back given how he screamed when he finally killed Zod, and begged him not to make him do that.And what's your point bringing that up anyway? As if Thor hasn't taken hits from powerhouses.
And then you go off on a complete tangent bringing up Superman getting hit by a nuke 😬
I think he just means "a lot". I don't think he means Superman speed blitzed him or something.
But I can understand your skepticism when it comes to h1 and his fantasy version of super speed.
This is fiction. We don't get to make shit up. The only thing that exists is what the writer WANTS US TO KNOW.
Superman wasn't holding back because the writer didn’t show the audience that he was.
I was saying Superman tanking a nuke implies that Zod can do the same if you are allowed to scale Thor off other character's based solely off physicality.
Originally posted by Robtard
The lowballing of Thor here is just silly trolling, Thor's feats speak for themselves:Survived the exploding Bifrost without injury, was at ground zero
Survived the explosion at Sokovia without injury, was at ground zero
Tanked the "full force of a star" for couple minutes
Posting the clips doesn't defeat my arguments.
If I lowballed then articulate how I did and properly rebut my arguments. This is a debate forum. Debate!
I addressed everything you said. You basically ignored what I said.
Ignoring evidence is the epitome of trolling.
Bifrost explosion was weak. Look at the speed of the blast wave and shrapnel (multiple times slower than a bullet).
Sokovia explosion was weak. Everything was rather breaking apart and not so much exploding. The actual minor explosion that occurred didn't produce speeds of objects faster than a bullet.
The star feat shows that Thor is incredibly resistant against high temperatures. Thor still can be cut and punched in the face to bleed. Makes sense since he controls lightning.
Originally posted by h1a8
Zod was punched multiple times farther than Thor was. Therefore he was hit harder. Zod was hit with a force so hard that it created a huge crater.Force = mass x acceleration
Multiple Kryptonians were tanking bullets. Zod and Superman are physical peers. SupermanThor has 0 cutting or bullet proof feats. I give him Loki level of bulletproof since he's roughly Loki's better physically (not way above though).
Zod and Superman were trading blows where they remained mostly stationary. The only times they sent each other flying was when they user power shots or when then were already flying... and which case it seems easier to push them around since they seemed weightless.
In comparison, every single hit that Hulk hit Thor with sent THor flying. Whether that was with a punch, a kick, or a hammer hit. There's literally zero proof that Zod got hit harder than Thor. Besides, Thor has a feet of falling for around 30,000 feet without getting hurt. Zod has no feat to equal that.
Zod never got shot by a bullet either. So if you're giving him the bulletproof feats of other kryptonians then it's only fair to give Thor the bulletproof feats of Loki. Though to be fair, the other kyrptonians had armor on and were still knocked back by gunship fire. In comparison, Thor stood in the line of fire against Ultron's jet and didn't get knocked back at all.
As for cutting feats, I'm still waiting for your promise to provide Zod's cutting resistance feats. You can hate on Thor's cutting resistance feats all you want but in the end, they're still far better than anything Zod has shown.
Oh and btw the BiFrost explosion starts in slow mo as seen at 0:48:
Originally posted by h1a8
Multiple Kryptonians were tanking bullets. Zod and Superman are physical peers.
Zero indication of that. Superman was clearly stronger and holding back.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thor has 0 cutting or bullet proof feats. I give him Loki level of bulletproof since he's roughly Loki's better physically (not way above though).
Laughable.
You only have to look at how Thor brushed off Hulk's ragdolling, compared to Loki being completely immobilised by it to see that Thor's durability is far greater than Loki's.
Originally posted by h1a8
This is fiction. We don't get to make shit up.
Super ironic.
Originally posted by h1a8
The only thing that exists is what the writer WANTS US TO KNOW.
Superman wasn't holding back because the writer didn’t show the audience that he was.
The writer/director literally showed us Kal was holding back when he hesitated to kill Zod until the very last second.
Originally posted by h1a8
I was saying Superman tanking a nuke implies that Zod can do the same
No it doesn't at all. MOS Kal > Zod, let alone BvS Kal.
Also you are redefining "Tanking" here.
Originally posted by h1a8
if you are allowed to scale Thor off other character's based solely off physicality.
Because Thor was proven to be =/> than those characters. This isn't difficult.
Power scaling is still a thing. But proven power scaling, not your own made up speculative power scaling.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
You dont debate though. You just make shit up.Like an island destroying blast was weak. What a troll you are.
I just didn't state it was weak. I gave reasons why it was weak. Therefore, I am debating and not making stuff up.
The speed of the debris wasn't very fast. Bullets travel far faster.
The explosion doesn't look impressive at all.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh and btw the BiFrost explosion starts in slow mo as seen at 0:48:
It amazes me that you post this feat after I explain why the explosion was weak (the speed of the explosion is many times slower than a real explosion from explosives). Thank you for posting the damning evidence.
Also, it amazes me that you don't believe Zod or Superman could pull that off just as easily. To me, that is a true telling of bias.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Zero indication of that. Superman was clearly stronger and holding back.
Laughable.
You only have to look at how Thor brushed off Hulk's ragdolling, compared to Loki being completely immobilised by it to see that Thor's durability is far greater than Loki's.
Yet Loki taking bullets >>> being ragdolled by Hulk. So what we have is fiction inconsistency (common thing).
I agree that Thor's durability is greater than Loki's. I agree that Thor can take the same bullets that Loki did. But I don't believe that Thor can take aircraft bullets (20mm). Those type of bullets are several times more powerful. That's why the writer had Thor run from them.
You flaw is thinking all bullets are equal.
Super ironic.
The writer/director literally showed us Kal was holding back when he hesitated to kill Zod until the very last second.
No it doesn't at all. MOS Kal > Zod, let alone BvS Kal.
Also you are redefining "Tanking" here.
Because Thor was proven to be =/> than those characters. This isn't difficult.
Power scaling is still a thing. But proven power scaling, not your own made up speculative power scaling.
You don't get to make up the rules. Oh we can powerscale if someone is > but we can't powerscale if someone is near equals with. We either powerscale for both cases or neither case.
Originally posted by h1a8
I just didn't state it was weak. I gave reasons why it was weak. Therefore, I am debating and not making stuff up.The speed of the debris wasn't very fast. Bullets travel far faster.
The explosion doesn't look impressive at all.
The whole Island explodes at the end. Just watch the GIF through to the end. Jeez.
Let me know what bullet could disintegrate that whole Island.
Originally posted by h1a8
It amazes me that you post this feat after I explain why the explosion was weak (the speed of the explosion is many times slower than a real explosion from explosives). Thank you for posting the damning evidence.Also, it amazes me that you don't believe Zod or Superman could pull that off just as easily. To me, that is a true telling of bias.
It amazes me more that you completely missed my point.
Did you even go to 0:48 ?
Maybe try 0:47.
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that Superman was clearly stronger and holding back. Just stating it isn't proof.
I already have. He didn't want to kill Zod as we were clearly shown at the end.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yet Loki taking bullets >>> being ragdolled by Hulk. So what we have is fiction inconsistency (common thing).
OR there's no inconsistency, and Hulk's hits are >>>>>> bullets.
The only inconsistency is the one you are forcing yourself to make to downgrade Marvel characters.
Originally posted by h1a8
I agree that Thor's durability is greater than Loki's. I agree that Thor can take the same bullets that Loki did. But I don't believe that Thor can take aircraft bullets (20mm). Those type of bullets are several times more powerful. That's why the writer had Thor run from them.You flaw is thinking all bullets are equal.
Except he didn't run from those TYPE of Bullets in AOU. Thor also fought Hulk as an equal in Ragnarok and we saw Hulk take those same bullets.
You're over obsessed with this Thor ducking for cover in the first Avengers, when he literally never went up against 21st Century man made weapons before.
You're no different to Quan who was over obsessed with Kal struggling to hold up an Oil tank, and continued to troll that info for all Superman versus threads ever (that little fact btw does prove that he was still growing in power, hence your faulty logic of comparing Superman and Zod from different time periods).
Originally posted by h1a8
Hesitating to kill someone (faultily assuming Kal was even thinking about killing all up until the last moment) doesn't translate into holding back your punching strength. Professional fighters will not hold back their punching power but most will definitely hesitate to kill another human by snapping their neck.
Professional fighter where gloves. And they have the referee to intervene.
Otherwise continued punches are very deadly and can absolutely kill. Something Kal clearly didn't want to do.
Originally posted by h1a8
Correct tanking is the wrong word. Surviving without visible damage to skin is better. Anyway, if Kal > Zod then it isn't by a lot (either a tiny bit or not at all).
There clearly was visible damage. He looked Ill as f***. So that feat proves absolutely nothing when comparing to Thor. Not that we are comparing Superman to Thor here. ONLY YOU are doing that.
Originally posted by h1a8
There is absolutely no solid evidence showing Kal > Zod. When they collided they canceled each other out perfectly (writer's intent to be equals right there). They punched each other with similar power (actually Zod hit Superman kinda harder in one scene than Superman ever hit Zod).
There's no evidence at all that Zod was Superman's physical equal even in MOS, let alone BvS or JL.
Writers intent was they were not equals, ergo why farmboy Superman snapped warrior soldier's neck. If they were physical equals, Zod frankly would have stomped.
Plus we factually know Kal was trying not to kill.
Originally posted by h1a8
You don't get to make up the rules. Oh we can powerscale if someone is > but we can't powerscale if someone is near equals with. We either powerscale for both cases or neither case.
And You don't get to avoid basic common sense.
Of course power scaling only works if you are physically equal or superior to a 3rd character. It kind of goes out of the window when you are physically Inferior to the random other character you are bringing up and from completely different time periods to boot! There's no logic to that at all and clearly brought up for no reason but a desperate attempt to make a case where there is none.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
The whole Island explodes at the end. Just watch the GIF through to the end. Jeez.Let me know what bullet could disintegrate that whole
The speed of the debris/shrapnel is relatively small in comparison to a real explosion (typically involving explosives). In a real explosion, the material protrudes from the origin of the explosion at speeds several times the speed of a bullet.
The force of that explosion (at the end) was therefore small. Thor got hit with shit moving far under bullet speed. Just look at the speed of the tiny debris coming from the explosion. This is the proof.
In a powerful explosion, the blast force pushes objects with speeds several times faster than the speed of sound.
It amazes me more that you completely missed my point.
Did you even go to 0:48 ?
Maybe try 0:47.
I didn't miss your point. You missed mine.
We judge the power of an explosion by
1. The damage it does to objects with known durability
Or
2. The speed in which the shrapnel/debris protrudes outward from the explosion.