Originally posted by DarkSaint85
See, I don't think he's fast enough to do so. She's lassoed a speeding Flash, Zoom, Superman - you name the speedster, she's lassoed themThen you say he would blast her. She's pretty much King/queen of blocking blasts with her bracelets.
I'm going to have to see how fast he can spam these laser blasts. Hurts my stomach to say this, but Carver has posted scans showing WW needing her full concentration, but that scenario is with a speedster spamming multiple blasts.
Then there is the Shattered God feat.
So He-man is going to have to pull some extraordinary machine gun laser blasts with the sword to be able to get past her defence.
Originally posted by StoicI think WW is far likely to use lethal force than He-man. The guy from the cartoons avoided killing as much as Superman does.
The lasso isn't always her go to move, and neither of them are blood thirsty killers, so all of this hackem up shit would be kind of OOC for the both of them. I'm not saying that they haven't, or wouldn't kill, but they know going in that they both champion good.
Oh and I watched an episode of Superfriends on HBO max. Man what was acceptable in those days was completely different then what is now.
They went down a whirlpool to an underground world with bad tar men. In order to escape they drilled up which flooded and destroyed the underground world and the tar men along with all the other plant and animal species. At end of the show they said that the tar men were only alive due to an accident in nature and should have died out a long time ago and because of an accident are now extinct.
Originally posted by h1a8
It's not my rule but the rule in general.
Show me where this rule is stated.
Originally posted by h1a8
Otherwise I can make up special attributes for any character without proof.
You do that all the time.
Originally posted by h1a8
Use your common sense and stop being dumb.
Ironic.
Originally posted by h1a8
Special attributes must be proven, otherwise a forum character doesn't get them.
Special attributes includes Wonder Woman's ability to shred up an planetary level indestructible being.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes, none of his feats support him resisting a sword that can cut high herald and trans level characters. Hell He-man has no feats supporting that Logan can't cut him.
Waiting for her feats on that. Has to be Superman level strength with magical resistance.
Originally posted by h1a8
WW sword has been standard in every WW thread so far. Not post crisis WW though (the sword is not standard for her).
Excatly it's not even standard, yet your whole argument is she slices He-Man up. When HE's the one with the Sword of Power as standard gear.
If non-standard weapons comes into this then he has his full armour and shield which makes her slicing him that much more difficult.
Originally posted by h1a8
WW has lassoed Zoom while Zoom was in full speed mode (multiple images of him acting simultaneously). It's fair to say that He-man is far slower than Zoom.
Funny I remember it being the other way around.
Originally posted by h1a8
No one here would say that He-man is close in speed to WW, unless they are trolling.
No trolling is just making random statements like that.
Not only does He-Man have considerable speed, fast enough to create tonadoes, but he has a massive strength advantage which he can use to create shockwaves and Earthquakes, and he has energy attacks.
Oh and did I mention his Shield as an additional accessory ?
Tbf, WW's sword cut Darkseid just fine.
And he survived a planetary explosion.
And this is when WW lassoed Zoom:
But what would you like for 'magic resistance'? Darkseid after all feeds on godly magic, and he was still cut. She has cut Cheetah ( a magical being).
Still, however, I can't see He-man defending against the lasso.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Show me where this rule is stated.You do that all the time.
Ironic.
Special attributes includes Wonder Woman's ability to shred up an planetary level indestructible being.
Waiting for her feats on that. Has to be Superman level strength with magical resistance.
So you basically telling me to prove that we are not allowed to claim special attributes without proof?
In other words, since there is no forum rule then I can make up special attributes for any character and don't have to provide proof.
Now you are trolling the thread. Please stop.
Again WW has cut high Herald and Trans level beings with her sword. The sword was stated to slice electrons off atoms.
All high heralds and Trans beings can survive planetary destruction. So that feat isn't impressive at all.
Excatly it's not even standard, yet your whole argument is she slices He-Man up. When HE's the one with the Sword of Power as standard gear.
If non-standard weapons comes into this then he has his full armour and shield which makes her slicing him that much more difficult.
Funny I remember it being the other way around.
No trolling is just making random statements like that.
Not only does He-Man have considerable speed, fast enough to create tonadoes, but he has a massive strength advantage which he can use to create shockwaves and Earthquakes, and he has energy attacks.
Oh and did I mention his Shield as an additional accessory ?
A character who moves in relation to light speed or faster would make a statue out of someone who creates tornados. Lmao
That's an astronomical difference buddy.
All superspeed isn't equal.
I don't care what he man can do, if he's moving in super slow motion or a statue then it all becomes irrelevant.
Just to point out, it was Kingdom Come WW whose sword could shave electrons off an atom.
Mainstream WW could *only* cut atoms in half.
Couple that level of sharpness with her level of skill, speed and strength....I mean, we see what a relatively human strength level guy in Wolverine can do with his claws, now imagine he had herald level strength behind his strikes.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tbf, WW's sword cut Darkseid just fine.And he survived a planetary explosion.
But what would you like for 'magic resistance'? Darkseid after all feeds on godly magic, and he was still cut. She has cut Cheetah ( a magical being).
Fair enough argument to say she could cut him. Although cutting is different to dismembering which. And he still has his shield and full armour (all extra accessories is fair game if WW gets her sword in this).
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And this is when WW lassoed Zoom:.
Appreciate the scan. Although I see little evidence there that Wonder Woman was moving near Zoom level of speed. Seems more like her versatility winning out over a much faster opponent.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Still, however, I can't see He-man defending against the lasso.
That's probably the best argument against He-Man.
Although what's the argument here, that she Lassos him then chops at him with her sword ?
h1a8's argument so far hasn't involved use of her lasso. Just speed and sword.
Originally posted by h1a8
So you basically telling me to prove that we are not allowed to claim special attributes without proof?In other words, since there is no forum rule then I can make up special attributes for any character and don't have to provide proof.
Now you are trolling the thread. Please stop.
No, I'm saying when it's an immovable object vs an unstoppable force, neither side can claim they don't need proof. Both have to give their arguments. Neither gets the benefit of the doubt.
Originally posted by h1a8
Again WW has cut high Herald and Trans level beings with her sword.
What do you mean Again? You haven't said this before. You need to give clear examples. Scans are preferable, because you really aren't that trustworthy. Like you made out WW lasso'd Zoom with some kind of super speed that He-Man doesn't possess. Looking at the scan makes your claim pretty suspect.
Zoom is clearly much faster than WW.
Originally posted by h1a8
The sword was stated to slice electrons off atoms.
All high heralds and Trans beings can survive planetary destruction. So that feat isn't impressive at all.
So again Immovable object vs Unstoppable force.
Originally posted by h1a8
This isn't post crisis WW. OP says no post crisis. Pre crisis and post crisis are the only WW'S with no sword as standard equipment.
N52 and rebirth WW has the sword.
So why are you talking about her showing against Zoom when she had no sword in that scan ? Be consistent at least.
But just to be clear, OP says No PRE-CRISIS Feats. Post Crisis is a lot more than just N52 and Rebirth. Lasso'ing Zoom seems very post crisis.
This is what I mean that your words alone simply can't be trusted. So you above all people need to back shit up.
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that He man is faster than Zoom then since you remember it that way. I'll be impressed if you showed me he man being faster than Spider-Man in combat.
Why exactly does He-Man need to be faster than Zoom ?
He-Man can run at super speeds. He's also punched at super speeds. Go back to the Respect thread. I realise most the links aren't working anymore, but at least read the descriptions of the feats.
This is a smaller showing of him running at super speed.
Carrying Teela running from an explosion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVEyLO5C85I
Originally posted by h1a8
A character who moves in relation to light speed or faster would make a statue out of someone who creates tornados. Lmao
That's an astronomical difference buddy.
All superspeed isn't equal.
Proof of lightspeed please.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't care what he man can do, if he's moving in super slow motion or a statue then it all becomes irrelevant.
Not really. That's just your head canon.
Just like WW can lasso a much faster opponent with versatility, so can He-Man tag faster opponents with versatility.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
She still needs speed to be able to lasso Zoom. I mean, would Alfred or Jarvis be able to do it if they were handed the lasso?
No one's arguing she doesn't have speed. I even said in my first post that she has the speed "advantage."
But h1a8 is making out that unless He-Man's speed =/> Zoom's, then he gets decapitated.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
No, I'm saying when it's an immovable object vs an unstoppable force, neither side can claim they don't need proof. Both have to give their arguments. Neither gets the benefit of the doubt.
What do you mean Again? You haven't said this before. You need to give clear examples. Scans are preferable, because you really aren't that trustworthy. Like you made out WW lasso'd Zoom with some kind of super speed that He-Man doesn't possess. Looking at the scan makes your claim pretty suspect.
Zoom is clearly much faster than WW.
Proof that WW lassoed Zoom at near light speed or above:
Zoom had 4 clones he was producing nearly simultaneously. Each clone appeared solid (not a ghostlike afterimage) and acting independently of the others. To achieve such a thing then Zoom's perceptions had to be at least light speed (else the images become ghostlike and not solid looking). So if WW lassoed Zoom then she had to be moving at a speed beyond (or equal) to his perceptions. Otherwise, Zoom would have saw her in slow motion (or as a statue) and easily avoided the lasso.
So again Immovable object vs Unstoppable force.
So why are you talking about her showing against Zoom when she had no sword in that scan ? Be consistent at least.
But just to be clear, OP says No PRE-CRISIS Feats. Post Crisis is a lot more than just N52 and Rebirth. Lasso'ing Zoom seems very post crisis.
This is what I mean that your words alone simply can't be trusted. So you above all people need to back shit up.
Why exactly does He-Man need to be faster than Zoom ?
He-Man can run at super speeds. He's also punched at super speeds. Go back to the Respect thread. I realise most the links aren't working anymore, but at least read the descriptions of the feats.
This is a smaller showing of him running at super speed.
Carrying Teela running from an explosion:
I think even Carv knows WW is far faster than He-man. I get it. I loved he-man too growing up (he was my favorite, even over superman). I draw him more than any other character in my life. I had almost all the toys, watched all the episodes, etc. So I have more ammunition to be bias here towards him. But I can't lie to myself. Speed is one of those things that makes fights unfair. It can be so advantageous that it is equivalent to stopping time. I can't just ignore that.
Now if speed was equalized then I might give He-man a majority here (I have no problem with that).
I mean...how does that He-Man feat stack up against Flash?
Originally posted by h1a8
But I did. You just miss them. I stated WW has cut up a high herald (or trans) level being. Darkseid is the example. Darkseid also survived planetary explosions.
Yeah she's slashed Mongul as well. I am aware. But firstly, cutting is very different to dismembering. Second Wonder Woman's sword is magic based which certainly helps against non-magical beings.
Originally posted by h1a8
Please start reading my comments more thoroughly. I'm getting tired of repeating myself because of what you didn't read or understand.
This is an attempt to retract your original point where you clearly made out He-Man needs to be faster than Zoom to compete.
Originally posted by h1a8
Proof that WW lassoed Zoom at near light speed or above:Zoom had 4 clones he was producing nearly simultaneously. Each clone appeared solid (not a ghostlike afterimage) and acting independently of the others. To achieve such a thing then Zoom's perceptions had to be at least light speed (else the images become ghostlike and not solid looking). So if WW lassoed Zoom then she had to be moving at a speed beyond (or equal) to his perceptions. Otherwise, Zoom would have saw her in slow motion (or as a statue) and easily avoided the lasso.
You're so full of crap. When Thor hits Quicksilver you call it PIS. When WW throws her Lasso at speedsters then suddenly she's a legit Lightspeeder by default 😬
There's literally no indication there she was herself moving at lightspeed. None at all.
Tell me this then, how fast would you have to be to go toe to toe with Silver Age Superman?
Originally posted by h1a8
The sword is irrelevant. This is about her speed.
So far you've done a terrible job of justifying that she's fast enough to speed blitz He-Man.
Originally posted by h1a8
I misread the OP. No pre-crisis feats. All other feats are excepted.
It was actually a typical example of you spewing lies and portraying them as facts. Like it was once sentence in the OP, not difficult to check before you spew a nonsense rebuttal.
Originally posted by h1a8
Either you are having fun with me or you have no clue how fast WW is.
That feat is utter garbage. he-man ran at what 100mph? WW is more than millions of times faster than what he-man did in that clip.
Proving that he-man is faster than a human (has superspeed) doesn't prove he can contend with any type of superspeed.
Are you dense? I specifically said GO TO THE RESPECT THREAD, and that this is just a small taste. You already challenged me to show he can move faster than Spider-Man, that small feat clearly proves that.
He's run much much faster.
Although I do find it amusing you didn't respond by showing me Wonder Woman running faster.
Originally posted by h1a8
I think even Carv knows WW is far faster than He-man.
My first post here admits she has the speed "advantage". And yet you accuse me of having reading comprehension problems.
Originally posted by h1a8
Now if speed was equalized then I might give He-man a majority here (I have no problem with that).
Nah he doesn't need made up stips. He's considerably stronger and fast enough.
Her lasso may pose a problem though, and that's the best argument that's been brought up on her end (not brought up by you though).