He-Man vs Wonder Woman

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Yeah she's slashed Mongul as well. I am aware. But firstly, cutting is very different to dismembering. Second Wonder Woman's sword is magic based which certainly helps against non-magical beings.

This is an attempt to retract your original point where you clearly made out He-Man needs to be faster than Zoom to compete.

You're so full of crap. When Thor hits Quicksilver you call it PIS. When WW throws her Lasso at speedsters then suddenly she's a legit Lightspeeder by default 😬

There's literally no indication there she was herself moving at lightspeed. None at all.

Tell me this then, how fast would you have to be to go toe to toe with Silver Age Superman?

So far you've done a terrible job of justifying that she's fast enough to speed blitz He-Man.

It was actually a typical example of you spewing lies and portraying them as facts. Like it was once sentence in the OP, not difficult to check before you spew a nonsense rebuttal.

Are you dense? I specifically said GO TO THE RESPECT THREAD, and that this is just a small taste. You already challenged me to show he can move faster than Spider-Man, that small feat clearly proves that.

He's run much much faster.

Although I do find it amusing you didn't respond by showing me Wonder Woman running faster.

My first post here admits she has the speed "advantage". And yet you accuse me of having reading comprehension problems.

Nah he doesn't need made up stips. He's considerably stronger and fast enough.

Her lasso may pose a problem though, and that's the best argument that's been brought up on her end (not brought up by you though).

The feat you showed of he-man running was pathetic. He didn't even appear to run over 100mph (and I'm being generous).

You are very aware of WW'S speed feats.
You have to prove that He-man is faster than a bullet (reflexes and movement speed within battle distance).
Failure to do is means a concession.

Note: bullet speed is still not enough to not be statued by WW.
But bullet speed or better is your first challenge. Now you can go for the gusto and give his best feat speed (relevant to combat speed).

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor never tagged quicksilver. Thor struck the ground.
Let's keep this simple.

IOW he hit Quicksilver not with his fists but via AOE attacks. Much like Wonder Woman did not punch Flash.

As for punching/strikes Has Thor ever hit Silver Surfer? Has he ever hit Gladiator?

Originally posted by h1a8
The feat you showed of he-man running was pathetic. He didn't even appear to run over 100mph (and I'm being generous).

You challenged me to show him moving faster than Spider-Man. Pretty sure running at 100mph qualifies. That pathetic showing is also faster than you've shown me Wonder Woman moving, which is more about how bad you are at making your case tbh.

And Thanks for being too lazy to go read his better speed feats from the respect thread. Highlights your ignorance on the matter.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are very aware of WW'S speed feats.

I'm aware she didn't speed blitz Mongul in Crisis. So have no reason to believe she will speed blitz a guy who can move like this (go to 1:54:27):

t5wZWZ6umxI&list=LL&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5wZWZ6umxI&list=LL&index=1

Originally posted by h1a8
You have to prove that He-man is faster than a bullet (reflexes and movement speed within battle distance).
Failure to do is means a concession.

Note: bullet speed is still not enough to not be statued by WW.
But bullet speed or better is your first challenge. Now you can go for the gusto and give his best feat speed (relevant to combat speed).

Would you admit someone whose punched Flash must be at least significantly faster than a bullet?

Still waiting for massively superior speed feats from Wonder Woman (and it has to be significantly better as that's your claim), otherwise it's your concession I'll be accepting.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
IOW he hit Quicksilver not with his fists but via AOE attacks. Much like Wonder Woman did not punch Flash.

As for punching/strikes Has Thor ever hit Silver Surfer? Has he ever hit Gladiator?

You challenged me to show him moving faster than Spider-Man. Pretty sure running at 100mph qualifies. That pathetic showing is also faster than you've shown me Wonder Woman moving, which is more about how bad you are at making your case tbh.

And Thanks for being too lazy to go read his better speed feats from the respect thread. Highlights your ignorance on the matter.

I'm aware she didn't speed blitz Mongul in Crisis. So have no reason to believe she will speed blitz a guy who can move like this (go to 1:54:27):

t5wZWZ6umxI&list=LL&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5wZWZ6umxI&list=LL&index=1

Would you admit someone whose punched Flash must be at least significantly faster than a bullet?

Still waiting for massively superior speed feats from Wonder Woman (and it has to be significantly better as that's your claim), otherwise it's your concession I'll be accepting.

You tagging someone, in fiction, who possesses superspeed doesn't automatically prove you have superspeed on their level. You have to prove that the tagged character was operating at high speed (reflexes and all) when you tagged them.

I proved that Zoom was operating at very high speed and perceptions when WW lassoed him. He was in a mode where a bullet would be frozen to him.

Spider-Man has traveled far faster than 100mph. He's traveled faster bullets multiple times. Here is just a few off the top of my head:

He once traveled a greater distance than rifle bullets in less time in order to block them from hitting someone.
He once ran and hopped 2 miles in 5 seconds (almost Mach 2).
He once outran two homing bullets.

You don't understand the vast differences of superspeed. For example, the speed of a bullet is more than 8x faster than 100mph.
The speed of light is more than 750,000 times faster than a 9mm bullet (which is significantly faster than 100mph).

To you, It's like all one has to do is prove that they have some form of superspeed (no matter how small) to contend with WW.
Just being 2x faster is an insane advantage and WW would stomp. But the fact is, WW is more than 1000x faster than he-man.
This is a forum fight, not a comic fight where PIS plays a role.

Characters fight at full capacity here. WW speed advantage coupled with her lasso and sword makes this a stomp.

P.S. just because WW has a lasso and sword doesn't mean she will use them straight out the gate or in such a manner that's out of character. But she does reserve the right to use them in a manner that prevents her from losing if she knows she has no other choice.

Originally posted by h1a8
You tagging someone, in fiction, who possesses superspeed doesn't automatically prove you have superspeed on their level. You have to prove that the tagged character was operating at high speed (reflexes and all) when you tagged them.

Oh really so I could just shoot Flash in the face as long as he's not running at super speed at the time I decide to take my shot?

Originally posted by h1a8
I proved that Zoom was operating at very high speed and perceptions when WW lassoed him. He was in a mode where a bullet would be frozen to him.

There was literally no hint of her moving at super speed in that panel. It seemed more of a skill, co-orindation and versatility move. You can assume all you want, but there's nothing on panel to indicate she herself was moving lightspeed.

Whilst it was very clear that Zoom and Flash were moving very fast.

Doesn't matter what mode he was in if it was just a matter of CIS on his part.

Originally posted by h1a8
Spider-Man has traveled far faster than 100mph. He's traveled faster bullets multiple times. Here is just a few off the top of my head:

He once traveled a greater distance than rifle bullets in less time in order to block them from hitting someone.
He once ran and hopped 2 miles in 5 seconds (almost Mach 2).
He once outran two homing bullets.

If you're not going to provide scans, you could at least refer to the issue so I can look it up myself. Given you are the least trustworthy poster when it comes to describing feats. Heck you can't even be trusted to correctly reflect the OP in this very thread!

Spider-Man doesn't "Run" at those kind of speeds as far as I know, but he does have enhanced reflexes, but I would love to see him actually Outrunning bullets.

There's nothing of Spider-Man running like that. Also note He-Man was carrying Teela, so wouldn't achieve his top speed noted in the last post of the Respect thread (by me). Because that would no doubt kill her.

Regardless Spider-Man can't move as fast as I've shown you He-Man spinning in my last post.

Originally posted by h1a8
You don't understand the vast differences of superspeed. For example, the speed of a bullet is more than 8x faster than 100mph.
The speed of light is more than 750,000 times faster than a 9mm bullet (which is significantly faster than 100mph).

Nice but you haven't shown me Wonder Woman moving at those speeds, and you certainly haven't shown me Wonder Woman speed blitzing someone as fast as He-Man. And let's not forget his potential AOE attacks.

And Tell me how fast does one have to be to deflect Heat Vision without even knowing your opponent has Heat Vision ? And include in your math that the opponent approached He-Man when his back was tuned to him.

Originally posted by h1a8
But the fact is, WW is more than 1000x faster than he-man.

Strange you are having such a hard time proving this.

Originally posted by h1a8
Characters fight at full capacity here. WW speed advantage coupled with her lasso and sword makes this a stomp.

Her sword isn't even standard. But LMAO that this is some kind of stomp for WW.

Originally posted by h1a8
P.S. just because WW has a lasso and sword doesn't mean she will use them straight out the gate or in such a manner that's out of character. But she does reserve the right to use them in a manner that prevents her from losing if she knows she has no other choice.

She doesn't get her sword as standard, so that's like a scenario B if she can't win without it. Without it best case for her is restraining He-Man in her lasso.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Oh really so I could just shoot Flash in the face as long as he's not running at super speed at the time I decide to take my shot?

There was literally no hint of her moving at super speed in that panel. It seemed more of a skill, co-orindation and versatility move. You can assume all you want, but there's nothing on panel to indicate she herself was moving lightspeed.

Whilst it was very clear that Zoom and Flash were moving very fast.

Doesn't matter what mode he was in if it was just a matter of CIS on his part.

If you're not going to provide scans, you could at least refer to the issue so I can look it up myself. Given you are the least trustworthy poster when it comes to describing feats. Heck you can't even be trusted to correctly reflect the OP in this very thread!

Spider-Man doesn't "Run" at those kind of speeds as far as I know, but he does have enhanced reflexes, but I would love to see him actually Outrunning bullets.

There's nothing of Spider-Man running like that. Also note He-Man was carrying Teela, so wouldn't achieve his top speed noted in the last post of the Respect thread (by me). Because that would no doubt kill her.

Regardless Spider-Man can't move as fast as I've shown you He-Man spinning in my last post.

Nice but you haven't shown me Wonder Woman moving at those speeds, and you certainly haven't shown me Wonder Woman speed blitzing someone as fast as He-Man. And let's not forget his potential AOE attacks.

And Tell me how fast does one have to be to deflect Heat Vision without even knowing your opponent has Heat Vision ? And include in your math that the opponent approached He-Man when his back was tuned to him.

Strange you are having such a hard time proving this.

Her sword isn't even standard. But LMAO that this is some kind of stomp for WW.

She doesn't get her sword as standard, so that's like a scenario B if she can't win without it. Without it best case for her is restraining He-Man in her lasso.

So basically the writer intended for WW to be moving slowly in order for her to lasso one of the fastest beings in comics WHILE said character was moving and perceiving things at light speed or better?
The writer somehow wrote Zoom as wanting to be lassoed without showing the audience of this?

WW doesn't have to speed blitz He-Man.
She can move her arms at light speed or faster and can perceive light speed movement.
Therefore, she can swing on he-man faster than he can move a millimeter. She can perceive him in super slow motion and easily avoid any of his attacks.

She can ko he-man. But her sword is standard and have been standard for years now. You don't have the authority to change the rules on that matter.

He-man is a gentleman, he only mauls other dudes when they misbehave

Let the female sect deal with the females, and the male sect deal with the males that's all

Originally posted by h1a8
So basically the writer intended for WW to be moving slowly in order for her to lasso one of the fastest beings in comics WHILE said character was moving and perceiving things at light speed or better?

Clearly not given she wasn't shown moving at super speed.

It seemed to be more showing that skill can be > speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
The writer somehow wrote Zoom as wanting to be lassoed without showing the audience of this?

Obviously because fact is he's way way faster than WW. The guy has blitzed the whole JL combined.

Originally posted by h1a8
WW doesn't have to speed blitz He-Man.
She can move her arms at light speed or faster and can perceive light speed movement.
Therefore, she can swing on he-man faster than he can move a millimeter. She can perceive him in super slow motion and easily avoid any of his attacks.

She can ko he-man. But her sword is standard and have been standard for years now. You don't have the authority to change the rules on that matter.

Evidence bro. Evidence.

Your fantasy script of how the fight goes doesn't count.

And when you provide your evidence don't forget she has to do this to a guy with vast superhuman speed himself.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Clearly not given she wasn't shown moving at super speed.

It seemed to be more showing that skill can be > speed.

Obviously because fact is he's way way faster than WW. The guy has blitzed the whole JL combined.

Evidence bro. Evidence.

Your fantasy script of how the fight goes doesn't count.

And when you provide your evidence don't forget she has to do this to a guy with vast superhuman speed himself.

Originally posted by Diesldude
yup i can agree that it was skill and coordination.

👆

Im sure some level of speed perception was also involved.

Carver, what speed feats does WW have?

You can't 'skill' and 'coordinate' your way into lassoing someone who is fast enough to be a blur to you. WW's feat required perception speed good enough to perceive Zoom.

I love He-Man but he is hopelessly outgunned here due to the speed meta. The best speed scaling I can think of to give him is through power scaling a statement in which Battle Cat is said to run at the speed of light.

So if Light Speed(+ or -) is all He-Man has...he gets blitzed.

If speed were equalized I would give it to He Man.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Clearly not given she wasn't shown moving at super speed.

It seemed to be more showing that skill can be > speed.

Obviously because fact is he's way way faster than WW. The guy has blitzed the whole JL combined.

Evidence bro. Evidence.

Your fantasy script of how the fight goes doesn't count.

And when you provide your evidence don't forget she has to do this to a guy with vast superhuman speed himself.

Prove that she wasnt moving at superspeed. So she lassoed Zoom moving at regular non super speed?

Evidence of what? That she can move her arms at near light speed or better? That she can perceive light speed attacks?

Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that she wasnt moving at superspeed. So she lassoed Zoom moving at regular non super speed?

Evidence of what? That she can move her arms at near light speed or better? That she can perceive light speed attacks?

I don't need to prove a negative. The scan showed Zoom moving at super speed, but not her. And we Know Zoom got tagged because he wasn't trying his best because we Know at his best he can blitz the whole JL.

Yes prove any of that. But mostly that she can speed blitz a guy fast enough to turn sand into glass within seconds:

@1:37:55

v=K8t5Uwtyau8&list=LL&index=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8t5Uwtyau8&list=LL&index=3

I'm sure it's something Spider-Man can do right?

I've already shown him spinning at super speeds. But just in case you thought it was a one off, he does it again in that same video @ 2:39:33

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I don't need to prove a negative. The scan showed Zoom moving at super speed, but not her. And we Know Zoom got tagged because he wasn't trying his best because we Know at his best he can blitz the whole JL.

Yes prove any of that. But mostly that she can speed blitz a guy fast enough to turn sand into glass within seconds:

@1:37:55

v=K8t5Uwtyau8&list=LL&index=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8t5Uwtyau8&list=LL&index=3

I'm sure it's something Spider-Man can do right?

I've already shown him spinning at super speeds. But just in case you thought it was a one off, he does it again in that same video @ 2:39:33

I proved that she was moving at superspeed (near light speed or beyond). She moved faster than Zoom's perceptions. Zoom was perceiving events at near light speed or beyond.

At this point you are trolling.

WW can move near light speed or beyond. This is facts.
He-man is over 1000x slower.

End Thread.

Originally posted by h1a8
I proved that she was moving at superspeed (near light speed or beyond). She moved faster than Zoom's perceptions. Zoom was perceiving events at near light speed or beyond.

At this point you are trolling.

WW can move near light speed or beyond. This is facts.
He-man is over 1000x slower.

End Thread.

No you haven't. All you've shown is that she tagged a speedster.

How's that any different to Spider-Man whacking Quicksilver or Speed Demon?

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=F7dqZyko&id=7DF73C81C035F8F4CEFB47D99219E6B7CD8F4880&thid=OIP.F7dqZykoMGpupnetyLaM7gHaLC&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fcomicvine1.cbsistatic.com%2fuploads%2fscale_super%2f0%2f3853%2f1205399-qs2.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.17b76a672928306a6ea677adc8b68cee%3frik%3dgEiPzbfmGZLZRw%26pid%3dImgRaw&exph=1920&expw=1288&q=spider-man+vs+quicksilver&simid=608030458559660306&ck=B587CA20D158676B688EC872F8526762&selectedIndex=0&FORM=IRPRST&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

Oh and did I mention He-Man already punched Flash in the face?

You also love assuming how fast Wonder Woman MUST have been moving, but keep failing to address how fast He-Man would have to be to deflect Heat Vision without even knowing his opponent (fake Superman) has Heat Vision:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=BX9eWlXZ&id=4851C87BADCBFEE37B6D4070DD1AE345E9A77CD0&thid=OIP.BX9eWlXZxBhOdkrrru46mAHaFj&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.ytimg.com%2fvi%2fZnQhopD1zHM%2fhqdefault.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.057f5e5a55d9c4184e764aebaeee3a98%3frik%3d0Hyn6UXjGt1wQA%26pid%3dImgRaw&exph=360&expw=480&q=he-man+vs+justice+league&simid=608012204947821437&ck=197E25DCE5A878DE2CF1141027277394&selectedIndex=24&FORM=IRPRST&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

You have no argument here, and I'm laughing that you're unable to show me Wonder Woman moving faster than the speed feats I've shown for He-Man. Let alone Wonder Woman speed blitzing someone as fast and as strong as him.

I mean He-Man has already fought and defeated Injustice Superman. Is Wonder Woman faster than Injustice Superman ?

Originally posted by Darth Thor
No you haven't. All you've shown is that she tagged a speedster.

How's that any different to Spider-Man whacking Quicksilver or Speed Demon?

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=F7dqZyko&id=7DF73C81C035F8F4CEFB47D99219E6B7CD8F4880&thid=OIP.F7dqZykoMGpupnetyLaM7gHaLC&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fcomicvine1.cbsistatic.com%2fuploads%2fscale_super%2f0%2f3853%2f1205399-qs2.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.17b76a672928306a6ea677adc8b68cee%3frik%3dgEiPzbfmGZLZRw%26pid%3dImgRaw&exph=1920&expw=1288&q=spider-man+vs+quicksilver&simid=608030458559660306&ck=B587CA20D158676B688EC872F8526762&selectedIndex=0&FORM=IRPRST&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

Oh and did I mention He-Man already punched Flash in the face?

You also love assuming how fast Wonder Woman MUST have been moving, but keep failing to address how fast He-Man would have to be to deflect Heat Vision without even knowing his opponent (fake Superman) has Heat Vision:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=BX9eWlXZ&id=4851C87BADCBFEE37B6D4070DD1AE345E9A77CD0&thid=OIP.BX9eWlXZxBhOdkrrru46mAHaFj&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fi.ytimg.com%2fvi%2fZnQhopD1zHM%2fhqdefault.jpg&cdnurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.057f5e5a55d9c4184e764aebaeee3a98%3frik%3d0Hyn6UXjGt1wQA%26pid%3dImgRaw&exph=360&expw=480&q=he-man+vs+justice+league&simid=608012204947821437&ck=197E25DCE5A878DE2CF1141027277394&selectedIndex=24&FORM=IRPRST&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

You have no argument here, and I'm laughing that you're unable to show me Wonder Woman moving faster than the speed feats I've shown for He-Man. Let alone Wonder Woman speed blitzing someone as fast and as strong as him.

I mean He-Man has already fought and defeated Injustice Superman. Is Wonder Woman faster than Injustice Superman ?

Spider-Man is a speedster and has multiple feats faster than sound. So him tagging speed demon while he is moving fast is legit speed feat for him.

Show He-man striking Flash in the face.

If you don't know that WW can move at least her limbs near the speed of light or beyond then you should not be participating in this thread.

Originally posted by h1a8
You dont get to determine which form of proof you will accept.

Ironic.

Originally posted by h1a8
Its impossible to tag someone that is operating at both light speed movement and perceptions without you moving at superspeed.
It wasn't like Zoom was standing still with his powers turned off.

That's your logic and not comic book reality.

Besides You don't get to decide how fast their reflexes are operating at any given time.

Especially when we know as a fact if Zoom was operating at his best he'd blitz Wonder Woman:

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=%2fUixs8Bc&id=E494E48ADDD9A72805C8CC95F93C5FF3DABDA9A7&thid=OIP._Uixs8BcM58QbxSCZYMgRwHaLj&mediaurl=https%3a%2f%2fth.bing.com%2fth%2fid%2fR.fd48b1b3c05c339f106f148265832047%3frik%3dp6m92vNfPPmVzA%26riu%3dhttp%253a%252f%252fstatic.comicvine.com%252fuploads%252foriginal%252f4%252f43640%252f1324566-green_lantern___sinestro_corps_special_01___page_06.jpg%26ehk%3dkxS9QVuc4rkCfvWO%252f5msxeyKZuN66F0zNfHdBSxBTDI%253d%26risl%3d%26pid%3dImgRaw&exph=1998&expw=1280&q=zoom+vs+superman&simid=608005298638903324&ck=93191DE6F5D7F5046029C4BC066BC826&selectedIndex=6&FORM=IRPRST&ajaxhist=0&ajaxserp=0

Originally posted by h1a8
Spider-Man is a speedster and has multiple feats faster than sound. So him tagging speed demon while he is moving fast is legit speed feat for him.

Point is he tagged someone clearly massively faster than he is. Ergo your logic doesn't hold up that if someone is moving at a certain speed then they are automatically reacting to everything at that same speed.

If Spider-Man is a speedster then He-Man is a super speedster. You already challenged me to prove He-Man is faster than Spider-Man, and I passed that challenge with ease.

Originally posted by h1a8
Show He-man striking Flash in the face.

It's right before he deflects Fake Superman's heat vision, @3:49.

v=ZnQhopD1zHM&t=218s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnQhopD1zHM&t=218s

I'm not the one who makes shit up here, and unlike you I back up my arguments with feats and showings.

Originally posted by h1a8
If you don't know that WW can move at least her limbs near the speed of light or beyond then you should not be participating in this thread.

And yet you still can't prove it. Hilarious.

^ Oh and he deflects Heat Vision at 4:12 in that video, and the panel makes it clear he had no idea what Superman's power set was.

You also see @ 4:02 Fake Superman approached to attack him from behind as well.

Just thought I'd point that out in case a miracle happens and you want to tell me honestly just how fast He-Man would have to react and move to manage that. This right after he punches Flash no less.

He-Man is invulnerable to most physical harm. He cannot be cut, but he can be blinded, deafened, dizzied, and nausiated. He is also magically-shielded from enchantment and mind control.

He-Man can move so quickly as to turn silica into glass, and reverse tornadoes and whirlpools.

He also wields the indestructible Sword of Power, which can project mystical energy and open inter-dimensional gateways; generate cold, electricity, heat, magnetism, and storms; locate hidden and missing objects and people; transmute inorganic matter; and has uncharted transformational abilities.