Originally posted by carver9
Superman fist does not equal adamantium claws. Mongul, Kalibak, etc... weathering blows from Superman does not mean they can take a head shot from Wolverine. Anyone thinking that is ridiculous.
See what I mean about you constantly underselling Superman.
Superman's strength/fist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wolverine's strength/claws
Originally posted by Robtard
See what I mean about you constantly underselling Superman.Superman's strength/fist >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wolverine's strength/claws
Ok, let's rephrase that so you'll understand better. Abomination weathering blows from Hulk does not mean he can withstand Wolverine claws. Thanos weathering hits from Thor does not mean he can withstand Wolverine claws. Beta Ray Bill weathering blows from Surfer doesn't mean he withstand Wolverine claws. Hulk weathering blows from Hercules doesn't mean he will withstand Wolverine claws. Wonder Woman weather blows from Black Adam doesn't mean she will withstand Logan claws. Do I need to keep going? I need proof that they can withstand Wolverine stabbing them in the face.
Mongul has blasts and great damage soak. Sure Logan can cut him but not to the point where the first few cuts are going to stop him. Mongul can literally eat a slash in order to knock Logan for a loop (or blast him). Plus Mongul does possess superhuman speed and reflexes (not to Superman's level but to a respectable degree).
Logan should beat Grundy though. Not sure about the others though.
Originally posted by carver9
Also this, please read what is said here...https://ibb.co/D9NWSpc
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what does the next page say?
And yet, whenever they fight, every time they fight....what happens?
Answer: he forgets all of that. Cyke thinks its his weakness, Chuck says its his strength.
But my point is, your scans are fricking useless because the whole point of that scene is saying Wolverine ignores all of that strategy stuff, to go berserk lmao.
Anyway....
Batman is like, 6ft 2. Kalibak dwarfs him - Logan would be the size of his hand, lol. What's stopping Kalibak from giving him the WWH treatment? I mean, I guess none of you have ever tried picking a cat up, lol. If it has claws, all Kalibak needs to do is....pick him up facing away from him.
Mind you, Grundy (some incarnations, phuck you Stilt) may be too stupid for that, so I can see Logan chopping him up. He can take Metallo, depending on the versions - he could repair himself with ANY metal that was present (so....leeching the adamantium from Logan, for example). I assume Carver wants Logan to win, so will cheerfully ignore this version?
This ignores the PC showings, btw, which the OP has forgotten (lol!)
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
what does the next page say?And yet, whenever they fight, every time they fight....what happens?
Answer: he forgets all of that. Cyke thinks its his weakness, Chuck says its his strength.
But my point is, your scans are fricking useless because the whole point of that scene is saying Wolverine ignores all of that strategy stuff, to go berserk lmao.
"Reaches the peak of his power when he surrenders to his rage".
Proper Berserker Rage doesn't rule out strategy. Not in Wolverine's case.
Srank spent a whole decade reminding people of that little fact.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
"Reaches the peak of his power when he surrenders to his rage".Proper Berserker Rage doesn't rule out strategy. Not in Wolverine's case.
Srank spent a whole decade reminding people of that little fact.
Agreed, but not in that scene Carver is using.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Wait.Are you really certain Kalibak is that much smarter than Grundy?
To quote Quin-Gon Jinn, the ability to speak does not make him intelligent.
He IS capable of it:
https://i.imgur.com/sdUsvmG.jpg
He can use tactics when needed.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Posted on like page 1, by me, lmao.
But yeah, it depends on the version of Metallo here.
That was after Neron got his hands on him.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Scene literally ends with Xavier laughing at Cyke's comments and saying he doesn't understand shit, so I'd say it's a pretty good example.Also, wow, that Kalibak scan is on par with Croc outsmarting Bane 😛
Lol, I'm not saying he's Midnighter or anything, but that he's smarter than Grundy (admittedly a fricking low bar, lmao).
I read that X-Men scene as Prof saying him giving into the berserker rage, whilst completely different to what Cyke had earlier claimed (the tracking, the hearing, the strategy etc) is what makes him so deadly. He's not a tactician like Cyke, but his effectiveness doesn't rely on tactics/ strat, so Cyke shouldn't try and pigeonhole him.
He's not like any of them.
That's what makes Cyke's assessment so worthless, in Xavier's opinion.
Rules just don't apply to him.
Of course, it can be interpreted differently and in the end, it's a short scene and we don't even know the final outcome. But it should be said that Xavier studied Wolverine a lot, so nice of carver to post what was implied to be another time Hulk got his ass beat by him 😖hifty:
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, I'm not saying he's Midnighter or anything, but that he's smarter than Grundy (admittedly a fricking low bar, lmao).
Yeah, I get what you mean.
While Kalibak's size does vary, the right way of grabbing Wolverine was used in the past by some bricks.
Most of the time, they can't do it right and pay the price for that, though.
Succeeding is tough, if we take into account Logan's speed and both his animal nature (as noted by She-Hulk) and general fighting skill or even escape artistry.
Yeah. It must be noted though, that Kalibak is fast himself. I know Carver hates it, but he DOES fight Superman (hell, the thread is called 'Superman's Rogues'😉 and Superman DOES have superspeed. Against Max Mercury, who whilst not THE best speedster, is still a legit speedster:
And Kalibak himself is pretty ferocious as well. And we haven't even started on his Beta Club...
