Thank you, Stilt.
Originally posted by carver9
So no speed fts proving the can tag Wolverine? Gotcha. Just because you're a Superman villain doesn't mean you get his speed fts. This isn't how it works.
WWH tagged him just fine, same WWH that Beast (whilst carrying someone) was literally dancing around.
I showed Kalibak tagging Max Mercury, a legit speedster, whilst specifically mentioning his speed. This isn't like say, Batman or Deathstroke tagging a speedster - Kalibak specifically says a speedster's speed is not impressive to him, then tags him.
Moreover, you didn't even clarify which versions of everyone this is - Metallo is able to create bodies out of whatever metal he touches.
Imagine if he gets touched by adamantium 😂
This is obviously the latest versions of everyone. Also, WWH isn't the only being Wolverine have fought and I disagree with you about Beast and Hulk but this isn't a Hulk thread. Anyways, Kalibak gets sliced up and if we want to use Hulk fighting speedster to downplay Wolverine, Hulk has tagged Gladiator, Hyperion, Quick Silver, etc... just fine. See what I did there?
Originally posted by carver9
This is obviously the latest versions of everyone. Also, WWH isn't the only being Wolverine have fought and I disagree with you about Beast and Hulk but this isn't a Hulk thread. Anyways, Kalibak gets sliced up and if we want to use Hulk fighting speedster to downplay Wolverine, Hulk has tagged Gladiator, Hyperion, Quick Silver, etc... just fine. See what I did there?
But I am specifically using WWH, because he did what any brick should do, which is just hold Logan and keep punching him.
Also, WWH is > other Hulk versions (barring WBH), based on writer intent and statements and story 🙂 See what I did there?
But OK. You say Kalibak gets sliced up - I literally just showed him fighting a legit speedster, the guy who taught Wally West how to use the Speed Force etc etc, and specifically commenting on his speed - yet you want to ignore it? Why? you ask for speed feats, I show them, and you just handwave it away.....
But yes. Latest version of Metallo can morph with metal. GG.
You posted a scan of Kalibak commenting on speed but still being unable to do anything against the person that is speeding around him. Wolverine has actually kept up with speedsters. Ya know, hit them in the face...
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-adab650a9fa5a0c6a1f4f0940818d5f2
He didn't boast about it, he's done it. He also shanked Northstar.
Originally posted by carver9
You posted a scan of Kalibak commenting on speed but still being unable to do anything against the person that is speeding around him. Wolverine has actually kept up with speedsters. Ya know, hit them in the face...https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-adab650a9fa5a0c6a1f4f0940818d5f2
He didn't boast about it, he's done it. He also shanked Northstar.
Sorry, I thought you were familiar with the scan.
Next panel has him taking Max Mercury out by throwing an I-beam hard enough to hit him as Max attempts to run from him. Max wasn't at full power, though.
Your scan is pretty poop, though. It SPECIFICALLY spells out that Wolverine wasn't fast enough (even shows Wolverine unable to tag him) - Logan only hit Speed Demon because he PREDICTED where he was going to be, lmao.
Whereas Kalibak - just straight up hit Max.
Originally posted by carver9
My point is, he's not going fist cuff with a Flash. He's simply not fast enough. We are talking about the same guy that had a hard time hitting Batman. Yes, Bats was amped but not Flash amped.
When? How was Batman amped? And I thought we weren't using Batman 😂 you've certainly quoted Pr at me enough!!
How was Batman amped, pray tell? In the Hellbat armour that Flash put the Speed Force into?
Yes, the Hellbat armor that doesn't have any showings of being on Flash level of speed. I see thus is going to be a circular argument, so disregard I mentioned that version of Bats. I just shows that, you posting a scan of a character that have Kalibak against someone who showed Flash how to use the speed for is irrelevant.
Originally posted by carver9
Yes, the Hellbat armor that doesn't have any showings of being on Flash level of speed. I see thus is going to be a circular argument, so disregard I mentioned that version of Bats. I just shows that, you posting a scan of a character that have Kalibak against someone who showed Flash how to use the speed for is irrelevant.
Ah yes, this Hellbat suit:
That Flash EXPLICITLY contributed to. What did he contribute, Carv, if not his speed?
I am saying that Max Mercury is one of the top speedsters around. Certainly more than Speed Demon. Speed Demon, a guy who was EXPLICITLY faster than Wolverine, who needed to rely on predicting where he was because - you guessed it - he wasn't fast enough.
See the difference between that and Kalibak straight up explicitly laughing at Max's speed, before he hits him? World of difference in the two showings.
All you did was handwave it away, instead of actually debating it.
Originally posted by carver9
Wolverine still had to be fast enough to tag speed demon, though. No matter the prediction. I mentioned we can wave away the Hellbat comment. What's the issue number for the Kalibak vs speedster showing.
Lol wave away?
How about this comment?
Originally posted by carver9
You using Batman period, like Pr said is basically a dumbass move.
My point was that Kalibak has speed. You not liking it is...moot. Impulse #53 - Max is injured, but still speedster fast (as you will see).
Originally posted by -Pr-
Really? It's bad enough with all the lowballing silliness, but you have to shit on Cyclops too, people? Really?
Cyclops is a slacker who hasn't done his homework...
... wait, worse - he didn't even pay attention in class.
He was one of the X-Men present when Forge and Xavier were analyzing Logan's combat prowess and berserker rage.
But I guess one could argue that new untold tale from Marvel v1 #5 could be taking place before Wolverine v2 #50, prior to his memory blocks removal.
Would make perfect sense, then. Considering how he's wearing the brown-and-tan outfit.
But even then, Cyke should remember how Wolverine's "nerfed" berserker rage allowed him to beat the N'Garai ruler, who was beating their whole team...
A fodder N'Garai grunt has sodomized the Hulk and wrecked the X-Mansion (the Danger Room in particular).
So yeah, Scott doesn't know what he's talking about. Exams failed.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Cyclops is a slacker who hasn't done his homework...... wait, worse - he didn't even pay attention in class.
He was one of the X-Men present when Forge and Xavier were analyzing Logan's combat prowess and berserker rage.
But I guess one could argue that new untold tale from Marvel v1 #5 could be taking place before Wolverine v2 #50, prior to his memory blocks removal.
Would make perfect sense, then. Considering how he's wearing the brown-and-tan outfit.
But even then, Cyke should remember how Wolverine's "nerfed" berserker rage allowed him to beat the N'Garai ruler, who was beating their whole team...
A fodder N'Garai grunt has sodomized the Hulk and wrecked the X-Mansion (the Danger Room in particular).
So yeah, Scott doesn't know what he's talking about. Exams failed.
And people say the writing of X-Men comics hasn't gotten worse.
Originally posted by -Pr-
And people say the writing of X-Men comics hasn't gotten worse.
...
That's all the classic stuff, Pr.
Makes sense for Xavier to be more well-versed on the subject of Wolverine, as he's been secretly studying how to kill him and other X-Men, if it ever came to that.
Xavier Protocols.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
...That's all the classic stuff, Pr.
Makes sense for Xavier to be more well-versed on the subject of Wolverine, as he's been secretly studying how to kill him and other X-Men, if it ever came to that.
Xavier Protocols.
I got confused then, as I didn't recognise the comic that was posted, I just assumed it was a newer one. My bad.
I don't mind Xavier knowing more than Cyclops. My issue is with making Cyclops look bad when part of the point of the character is that he's this guy that studies mutant powers every day.