Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You honestly don't see a difference? Not trying to play mind games or trap you or whatever, am genuinely asking.
I know that both are PIS and Deathstroke isn't anywhere close to Flash speed wise just like Kalibak isn't on Grail level. Neither should have been able to hit Grail or Flash but it happened. I'm trying to figure out why you're not accepting Deathstroke but your accepting Kalibak. 🤔
You posted a scan of Kalibak throwing a beam at a speedster and tagging him but you are discrediting Flash being tagged by a speedster. Like, wtf. If Kalibak would've bit Flash, would you have discredited it?
Originally posted by carver9
Now, we can settle this if you want. Admit to me right now that Aquaman and Superman are close to each other in speed and I'll say WWH and Beast are close...https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-4.png
This is why we argue - you ignore context.
WWH/Beast - WWH wasn't trying to waste time, he was trying to end things as QUICKLY as possible. WWH was pissed off at Xavier, and was tearing through any and all who were trying to protect him.
Superman/Aquaman - Superman is trying to help Aquaman and talk to him, to get him to come in as a teammate and a friend.
Now, before you argue - are any of what I just typed false? Y/N? Simple answer.
Originally posted by carver9
Oh trust me, I know the rules, it's been posted too many time. I'm not saying lows is the primary, I'm saying we shouldn't exclude everything. Also, what you consider a low showing might not be a low showing to someone else. Who honestly write the rule book on what's a low, high or mid showing?
Sweet ****ing Jesus. You can't be serious.
Originally posted by carver9
I know that both are PIS and Deathstroke isn't anywhere close to Flash speed wise just like Kalibak isn't on Grail level. Neither should have been able to hit Grail or Flash but it happened. I'm trying to figure out why you're not accepting Deathstroke but your accepting Kalibak. 🤔You posted a scan of Kalibak throwing a beam at a speedster and tagging him but you are discrediting Flash being tagged by a speedster. Like, wtf. If Kalibak would've bit Flash, would you have discredited it?
OK, so why is Kalibak/Grail PIS? DS tagging Flash is PIS, because I can show you multiple scans of Flash being INCREDIBLY fast. Faster than what DS can do, and I can show you what DS can do, btw.
Do the same for Kalibak and Grail?
Wait what? DS is a speedster? Also, you have no idea what your second paragraph is arguing, lol.
Wally is way, WAY, WAYYYYY faster than Max, even on Max's best day. So yes, Kalibak tagging Flash would be absolutely laughed at.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This is why we argue - you ignore context.WWH/Beast - WWH wasn't trying to waste time, he was trying to end things as QUICKLY as possible. WWH was pissed off at Xavier, and was tearing through any and all who were trying to protect him.
Superman/Aquaman - Superman is trying to help Aquaman and talk to him, to get him to come in as a teammate and a friend.
Now, before you argue - are any of what I just typed false? Y/N? Simple answer.
Gotcha, so Superman wasn't trying to tag him there even though in the next panel, he punched him?
https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-5.png
He was trying to punch him and failed. Also, Hulk wasn't going all out against any of them, he held back. Your argument was, he reached for Beast and failed, Superman punched at Aquaman and failed. I can easily post Deathstroke kidnapping Lois Lane, Superman showing up and...
I'm sure you'll try to find a way out of that as well, lol, even though Lois is held captive and her life was threatened. Do I need to post those scans? Let me know.
Originally posted by carver9
Gotcha, so Superman wasn't trying to tag him there even though in the next panel, he punched him?https://comicnewbies.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/aquaman-and-mera-vs-superman-rebirth-5.png
He was trying to punch him and failed. Also, Hulk wasn't going all out against any of them, he held back. Your argument was, he reached for Beast and failed, Superman punched at Aquaman and failed. I can easily post Deathstroke kidnapping Lois Lane, Superman showing up and...
I'm sure you'll try to find a way out of that as well, lol, even though Lois is held captive and her life was threatened. Do I need to post those scans? Let me know.
Nope, Supes was still holding back. Because he was trying to talk sense into his team-mate and friend.
Hulk was there to make Xavier suffer, to never stop making him pay, and everyone else was just in the way (and he didn't have time to waste). He was trying to end things as quickly as possible.
World of difference, can't you see?
As for Lois, the comic even spells out that Superman is pausing and thinking things through, lmao:
https://i.imgur.com/WXYN1zC.png
And when he gets mad, he stillh olds back haha:
https://i.imgur.com/KucFQ4a.png
But good to see you dodged my question. As per usual.
Also, if he wanted Xavier so bad, just wanted to get Xavier and leave, why not just ya know, grab him? Xavier was right there.
https://ibb.co/mSvgLB9
https://ibb.co/K7Yj8dX
He was grabbing distance. All he had to do was grab him and jump off. Nope, he didn't want to do this because he wasn't in a rush like you were saying. He was waiting to fight these peeps...
Hulk standing there having a conversation with Xavier before fighting the Xmen. Some rush he's in, huh...
Even have him 2 seconds to respond.
In front of Xavier again and what does he do, turn around and fight Juggernaut instead of attacking Xavier. 🤔🤔
https://ibb.co/yYjYMjZ
https://ibb.co/0yxG6Zc
https://ibb.co/z7ZZmWk
What's your definition of "a rush"?
Lmao.
'This is the fight I was expecting' = 'This is the fight I wanted'??
Your logic is way off. If I attack someone and the cops show up, I kinda expect that. That doesn't mean I WANT to fight the cops, lmao.
But yeah. Hulk himself says he doesn't have all day:
But he says it more than once, lmao:
And BFRs Juggy just so he can be trapped long enough for Hulk to get away with Xavier:
But good point on why didn't he grab Xavier. Oh wait, he did - and COLOSSUS USES HIS SPEED TO STOP HIM, lmao:
Strong Guy, that well known speedster, was literally dancing around him (😂 ):
So yeah. I mean, what is YOUR argument here? You are literally just trying to argue against me for the sake of it - are you trying to say WWH was there to have a nice enjoyable long drawn-out fight with the X-men? Despite him saying on multiple occasions he didn't have the time?
With Monet, he BFRs her pretty much straight away (or was that a sign of cowardice? Let me know lol).
With Rockslide he goes for the quick split.
With Colossus he doesn't waste time and bends his arms back.
The entire fight with the X-men, he was trying to end things as quickly as possible, because he had other things to do and places to be. As per HIS OWN WORDS.
Vastly different from Superman/DS, or Superman/Aquaman (you really should try to stay on topic, though lol).
