Originally posted by TyrannoraptorThe latter is what he means. Actually he means 2 seconds or less.
But didn't you read/hear that Smaug shook the Lonely mountain while Gandalf was terrified of him (while so many other people not of this thread said Smaug will win) or did you mean Elsa freezes him in less than a second (or half if it) at the start of this?
Originally posted by h1a8
The latter is what he means. Actually he means 2 seconds or less.
If she can freeze him in 2 seconds or less then she can win
Originally posted by Eon Blue
He loses, Whirly. 🙂
Originally posted by Tyrannoraptor
But Elsa freezing a country is a stretch and it was progressive that it didnt happen instantly & we have never seen Smaug get damaged by ice do so it hasn't been clearly known what will actually happen as a result (while i thought Smaug's fore breath might be enough to counter her ice abilities as size might not necessarily matter) or did you mean Elsa will become a hero for stopping/eliminating Smaug (& the freezing curse can only be cured with/by an act of true love)?!
Old characters and people can’t do much against youthful and powerful characters.
Originally posted by TyrannoraptorI think Elsa powers dont necessarily have to travel in a direct beam. Stuff was shown being frozen instantly (like the town or creating her castle fortress) from a distance like magic. Im thinking she could freeze Smaug's body without sending a direct frontal beam at him (to be countered). Im not sure it would take 2 seconds or less though. If she freezes his insides organs first then maybe its a go.
So Smaug ends up (getting extinguished/pulverized) like a blown out candle in a blink of an eye if/when (&/or before) he tries to use his fire breath to counter the freezing?! But (i thought) Smaug could jusr try to use his fire breath melt the ice & counter the freezing just before it could reach Smaug.
Originally posted by h1a8
I think Elsa powers dont necessarily have to travel in a direct beam. Stuff was shown being frozen instantly (like the town or creating her castle fortress) from a distance like magic. Im thinking she could freeze Smaug's body without sending a direct frontal beam at him (to be countered). Im not sure it would take 2 seconds or less though. If she freezes his insides organs first then maybe its a go.
Originally posted by TyrannoraptorI'm speculating. Since her powers work instantaneous (like teleportation) like magic then it is reasonable to assume that she can manifest her powers inside beings magically as well.
But Elsa's freezing doesn't usually start right straight from inside one's body & Smaug might just got to breathe his fire around him if he tries to counter it.
I don't know who wins this. If she can freeze him in less than 2 seconds without needing to point and shoot then she can win. But that has to be argued.
Originally posted by h1a8
I'm speculating. Since her powers work instantaneous (like teleportation) like magic then it is reasonable to assume that she can manifest her powers inside beings magically as well.I don't know who wins this. If she can freeze him in less than 2 seconds without needing to point and shoot then she can win. But that has to be argued.
Originally posted by Tyrannoraptor
Of course we're not so sure who would win but in the movie, her powers weren't even shown/proven to immediately and directly manifest from the inside the opponent's body unless it did hit one like with (it coming closer to) direct physical contact just like this.
Elsa can also make her powers just appear anywhere without it coming directly from her body (in a beam). Look carefully at 2:28. The snow in the left of the screen. An ice structure just magically appears.
Originally posted by h1a8
Elsa can also make her powers just appear anywhere without it coming directly from her body (in a beam). Look carefully at 2:28. The snow in the left of the screen. An ice structure just magically appears.
Bingo! 👆
Originally posted by h1a8But it takes place outside on a wide landscape and when she first started creating an ice castle it just come directly from her leg with/via physical contact on the ground before making it rise (which shows it's coming right from her while the rest of her powers particularly come directly from her hands) so this might not be proof the if she could manipulate ice right from inside anyones' body (even from a distance without even touching)!
Elsa can also make her powers just appear anywhere without it coming directly from her body (in a beam). Look carefully at 2:28. The snow in the left of the screen. An ice structure just magically appears.