Originally posted by h1a8
Heres some facts:1. Leviathan weighs less than 1000 tons (less than 500 tons) and the submarine weighs more than 7,000 tons.
2. Ignoring the weight (assuming sub was weightless) then the submarine feat was calculated to be more than 560,000 tons (again not including the weight). The feat of the leviathan was calculated to be between 100-1000 tons (depending on the estimation of the weight).
Look at 3:01 was final numbers
https://youtu.be/pU1kngVYIh0Since now you been given the calculations, the onus is on you to prove that the leviathan feat took more than 560,000 tons.
Sure
3 million tons
When asked about the weight of a Leviathan, The Avengers co-writer Zak Penn guessed that it weighed 3 million tons.
Now shut up and try again.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Wait, based on what?I actually know how large Aquaman's submarine was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akula-class_submarine
It would have been well over three hundred feet long.
There's no official numbers for the length of one of the Leviathans, but this person calculated it to be 255 feet:
This guy calculated it as just a little longer than the submarine Arthur would have lifted:
https://www.fanverse.org/blogs/marvel-cinematic-universe-calc-1-leviathans-size-and-weight.35783/
And to be about the same weight, or less for some models of that sub.
Without any official numbers calculations of its size are all we have to go on.
Avengers co-writer Zak Penn estimated they weigh around 3 million tons. Thats a tad bit more than a submarine.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ I think he means because Hulk one shot the Leviathan. Whereas Aquaman simply pushed the submarine up.
One shot means ko. Stop trolling and using the wrong terminology. All Hulk did was brace against it and the ground (breaking the ground up). Its like a bullet being stopped by ceramic plates or a barrier. The barrier gets destroyed but ultimately slows the bullet down.
1. Stopping Force = 1/2 x mass x (Initial velocity ^2) / stopping distance
Or
2. Stopping Force = mass x initial velocity / time
If numbers are fairly accurate then both formulae should give similar results.
Looking at the leviathan approaching Banner right before he turns into Hulk it appears to be moving roughly at 30mph or a little less. This is about 13.4 m/s. Stopping distance is about 25-30m. We use 27m as average. Stopping time is about 4 seconds.
From 1.
F = 1/2 x mass x (13.4 m/s) ^2 / (27m) = 3.3 x (mass in kg) N
From 2.
F = mass x (13.4 m/s) /(4 s) = 3.35 x (mass in kg) N
Similar results.
Now 3.35 x (mass in kg) = 0.0037 x mass in tons.
So Stopping Force = 0.0037 x mass in tons.
So now we attempt to calculate the mass.
Length of leviathan is approximately 200ft.
A blue whale can be 100ft and 150tons
So leviathan is 2x longer and thus 2^3 or 8x more massive (without armor). This is 1200 tons. When Hulk pulled a slab of the metal off and stabbed the leviathan, it appeared to be approximately 3 inches in thickness.
Leviathan is approximately 30ft wide. So the top metal has an approximate volume of 1178 cubic feet = 33 cubic meters (Area of ellipse =pi * a * b).
Note: The leviathan has a smaller area than an ellipse since the 2nd half of it is really thin tail like. So all estimates are overestimates.
The metal armor seems light and strong (light as high grade aluminum or titanium).
Density of titanium is 4500 kg/ (m^3)
So mass of top armor = 4500 x 33 kg = 164 tons
I saw no bottom armor or side armor.
So mass = 1367 tons
So stopping force = 0.037 x 1367 tons = 467 tons.
Heres the kicker.
1. The leviathan didn't completely stop (it began flipping).
2. The leviathan made contact with the ground. That means friction did a lot of the work.
3. Hulk braced against the leviathan. So he didn't supply the majority of the force. The ground did.
Replace Hulk with a durable object thats dug into the ground for support and the result would be nearly the same.
Originally posted by h1a8
One shot means ko. Stop trolling and using the wrong terminology. All Hulk did was brace against it and the ground (breaking the ground up). Its like a bullet being stopped by ceramic plates or a barrier. The barrier gets destroyed but ultimately slows the bullet down.1. Stopping Force = 1/2 x mass x (Initial velocity ^2) / stopping distance
Or
2. Stopping Force = mass x initial velocity / timeIf numbers are fairly accurate then both formulae should give similar results.
Looking at the leviathan approaching Banner right before he turns into Hulk it appears to be moving roughly at 30mph or a little less. This is about 13.4 m/s. Stopping distance is about 25-30m. We use 27m as average. Stopping time is about 4 seconds.
From 1.
F = 1/2 x mass x (13.4 m/s) ^2 / (27m) = 3.3 x (mass in kg) NFrom 2.
F = mass x (13.4 m/s) /(4 s) = 3.35 x (mass in kg) N
Similar results.Now 3.35 x (mass in kg) = 0.0037 x mass in tons.
So Stopping Force = 0.0037 x mass in tons.
So now we attempt to calculate the mass.
Length of leviathan is approximately 200ft.
A blue whale can be 100ft and 150tons
So leviathan is 2x longer and thus 2^3 or 8x more massive (without armor). This is 1200 tons. When Hulk pulled a slab of the metal off and stabbed the leviathan, it appeared to be approximately 3 inches in thickness.Leviathan is approximately 30ft wide. So the top metal has an approximate volume of 1178 cubic feet = 33 cubic meters (Area of ellipse =pi * a * b).
Note: The leviathan has a smaller area than an ellipse since the 2nd half of it is really thin tail like. So all estimates are overestimates.
The metal armor seems light and strong (light as high grade aluminum or titanium).
Density of titanium is 4500 kg/ (m^3)
So mass of top armor = 4500 x 33 kg = 164 tons
I saw no bottom armor or side armor.So [b] mass = 1367 tons
So stopping force = 0.037 x 1367 tons = 467 tons.
Heres the kicker.
1. The leviathan didn't completely stop (it began flipping).
2. The leviathan made contact with the ground. That means friction did a lot of the work.
3. Hulk braced against the leviathan. So he didn't supply the majority of the force. The ground did.Replace Hulk with a durable object thats dug into the ground for support and the result would be nearly the same. [/B]
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The Hulk punched and KO'd a 3 million ton alien. It dwarfs anything Aquaman can do. Get over it.
Originally posted by h1a8
He punched a less than 2000 ton alien. Facts. His random number followed by "I guess" is the same as saying "who the phuck knows". Duh.
AM is stronger if used muscles.
So throwing ACTUAL writers commentary out the window, whilst using your own made up writers intention as canon.
Seriously do you have nothing better to do than troll the interwebs?
Originally posted by Darth ThorThe commentary wasn't serious. The guy had no phucking idea how much it weighed.
So throwing ACTUAL writers commentary out the window, whilst using your own made up writers intention as canon.Seriously do you have nothing better to do than troll the interwebs?
My numbers are over estimates that can be verified in the movie. The only thing that is assumed is the density of the leviathan is equivalent to a blue whale.
If that can't be assumed then Hulk has no feat at all and AM is automatically stronger by default.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
So throwing ACTUAL writers commentary out the window, whilst using your own made up writers intention as canon.Seriously do you have nothing better to do than troll the interwebs?
Originally posted by Silent Master
So instead of using a number made up by the co-writer, you want us to use a number you made up?
Have you ever seen a sadder person? He's an outright joke.
Originally posted by tkitnaI believe you are the joke. Especially in the other thread when you thought binary can beat SS because she destroyed a planet.
Have you ever seen a sadder person? He's an outright joke.
Originally posted by h1a8
The commentary wasn't serious. The guy had no phucking idea how much it weighed.My numbers are over estimates that can be verified in the movie. The only thing that is assumed is the density of the leviathan is equivalent to a blue whale.
If that can't be assumed then Hulk has no feat at all and AM is automatically stronger by default.
The guy was a writer of the movie and said it probably weighed around 3 million tons. Even if it was a little less or a little more, his intent was that the creature weighed a lot. Way more than your made up numbers. You trying to put actual numbers that fit your argument doesnt fly.
Like the other thread, just admit that your wrong and quit looking stupid.
Originally posted by h1a8
I believe you are the joke. Especially in the other thread when you thought binary can beat SS because she destroyed a planet.
Not realizing SS has done it easily and has her beat in speed and versatility. You are the joke my friend.
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Here is my quote from that thread that your so fixated on for some reason -
Originally posted by tkitna
Binary that was destroying planets might be enough.
Did I say it was a definite? Did I say anything was for sure? Did I say for a majority? Did I argue with anybody about it in that thread? I only said she might be able to a win. MIGHT.
You are a sad, sad little person. Please go away now.
Originally posted by h1a8
He punched a less than 2000 ton alien. Facts.
The writer estimated around 3 million tons and you say its less than 2000 and want to pass it off as fact? How exactly did you come up with your factual numbers for an alien being thats not of this world? An alien being thats much, much larger than a submarine with an outer metallic epidermis thats much, much more durable than the shell of a submarine. Please let us know how you are so well versed in Leviathans and know more about them than the writer who created them.