Byrne Era Superman vs Firelord.

Originally posted by Stoic
Seems to be a case of one person using low showings to make a point, followed by another person doing the same. I wonder how long this'll continue?

Probably when Carver gains self awareness.

So probably never.

He's the one who takes ALL showings into account. CIS/CIP/WIS, it all counts for him. He doesn't ignore ANY showings.

So the textbook example of PIS, enshrined in our forum rules, of Spidey beating Firelord, isn't ignored by him.

But rather than say 'ok, DS, you're right, we ignore some showings for PIS as per forum rules, he doubles down and throws more low showings in lmao.

The thing about the Shadowdragon showing is that Superman wasnt going all out. He's not trying to smash and destroy regular humans.
He was impressed that he was able to dodge when he thought ' I doubled my speed'. But then thought, I'll just grab his tassel, and immediately did so, but it was a break away part of his suit that produced a flashbang and he ran while Superman was momentarily stunned.

We also have the fact that story was post-DOS, so it doesn't apply here.

Theres still a big difference between this and the Deathstroke showing, and Spidey smashing Firelord. They were both running from Supes.

But even SpideyvsFirelord shouldn't be used as any sort of benchmark here.

This is all just a waste of time.

Superman still beats Firelord.

Pretty much 👆 but lawest is cool, and I like his threads to go on a bit longer.

Thank you DS.👍

Originally posted by Stoic
Seems to be a case of one person using low showings to make a point, followed by another person doing the same. I wonder how long this'll continue?

I mentioned low showings because Dark tends to troll Marvel when someone votes against Superman. So why not.

Originally posted by carver9
I mentioned low showings because Dark tends to troll Marvel when someone votes against Superman. So why not.

This you?

Originally posted by carver9
Oh trust me, I know the rules, it's been posted too many time. I'm not saying lows is the primary, I'm saying we shouldn't exclude everything. Also, what you consider a low showing might not be a low showing to someone else. Who honestly write the rule book on what's a low, high or mid showing?

Originally posted by carver9
Or, Kalibak grabbing Grail is a low showing for her and a high showing for Kalibak. This is why you take all of their showings under consideration. Kalibak grabbing Grail is a 1 for Grail and a 100 for Kalibak. Low showing for Grail, high showing for Kalibak. What does this average out to? He should not have been capable of grabbing Grail.

Originally posted by carver9
@Dark...

That's not limiting them, lol. That's saying you can use ALL of their showings, not just limiting them to their highest ever which is what you were doing.

So again, you seem to want to ignore PIS/WIS/CIP showings (despite them being in the rules), and want to count 'ALL their showings'.

Which is why I specifically brought Spidey/Firelord up, a blatant textbook example we are specifically told to ignore.

Should we ignore PIS showings, Carv? Let me know 👆

Meant to say, you want to ignore definitions such as PIS/WIS/CIP for showings (despite them being in the rules)....

Firelord is a weak jobber.

His "cosmic status" means shit.

I'll take Firestar or even Firebrand over Firelord.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Firelord is a weak jobber.

His "cosmic status" means shit.

I'll take Firestar or even Firebrand over Firelord.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This you?

So again, you seem to want to ignore PIS/WIS/CIP showings (despite them being in the rules), and want to count 'ALL their showings'.

Which is why I specifically brought Spidey/Firelord up, a blatant textbook example we are specifically told to ignore.

Should we ignore PIS showings, Carv? Let me know 👆

You should keep other threads out of this thread and stay on topic. If you don't believe in something, don't post it. This is trolling and you are a clinger. You cling to things and don't know how to move on. If you didn't believe in the Firelord vs Spiderman fight, then don't say it. Carebear.

Originally posted by lawest9
Why not Johnny Storm as well?

Because he's A-list.

Far too popular, too high-profile to waste his time for such a cosmic imbecile.

D-listers like 'star and 'brand will do fine.

Originally posted by carver9
You should keep other threads out of this thread and stay on topic. If you don't believe in something, don't post it. This is trolling and you are a clinger. You cling to things and don't know how to move on. If you didn't believe in the Firelord vs Spiderman fight, then don't say it. Carebear.

Lmao.

Keep other threads out?

This you?

Originally posted by carver9
Also, the statement he used against Shadow Dragon, he used those same words against Doomsday and ya didn't question it. Stop being so bias. It doesn't look well on you.

I didn't bring other threads in. You did.

Stop being so bias, Carv. Do all showings count or nah? Easy question, yes or no lol.

Let me know.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao.

Keep other threads out?

This you?

I didn't bring other threads in. You did.

Stop being so bias, Carv. Do all showings count or nah? Easy question, yes or no lol.

Let me know.

Can Spiderman in YOUR opinion beat Firelord, yes or no?

Originally posted by carver9
Can Spiderman in YOUR opinion beat Firelord, yes or no?

Answering a question with a question? Tsk tsk tsk. How the mightyCarver have fallen.

To answer YOUR question with a question, does Spiderman have ALL of his feats/showings usable?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Answering a question with a question? Tsk tsk tsk. How the mightyCarver have fallen.

To answer YOUR question with a question, does Spiderman have ALL of his feats/showings usable?

Whatever you want it to be. Can he beat Fire Lord?

If ALL showings are allowed, yes.

Now answer my question Lord Carver. Do ALL showings count, ye or nah?

You didn't answer my question, so I guess I'll go first. All showings count, lows, mid and highs. You find a medium with all of those showings. I don't exclude mediums and lows and focus primarily on highs, that is ridiculous. Wolverine would be Nuke withstanding levels. Spiderman would be UN durability withstanding levels. Hulk would be Abstract. Batman would be Batman. Gather their showings, find a medium and debate.

Now again, in YOUR opinion (no ifs) can Spiderman beat Firelord. This is your opinion. Pretend someone made a thread and youre the first to post in it on who you think would win. Who are you voting for?

When ALL showings are included, Spidey can beat Firelord 👆

Let's nip this in the bud. This all started because you wanted to mention speed. Ya know, speed is your go to when discussing characters because we know, you want this to be the ace in the hole for Superman threads. Well, the rules even disagrees with you. It outright states that Hulk WILL hit Superman (and yes, this applies to Firelord as well).

https://ibb.co/ZNJcZNy

There's an important piece there. We don't debate power set, we debate the character. Seems pretty simple to me. Yes, go to the mods and ask them to change this. This is another thing to add to your list but per forum rules, lol, Hulk WILL slap the HELL out of Superman. Thor will hit him, Firelord, heck, let's throw Juggernaut up in there. What's the worst thing that anyone wants? A Hulk punching them in the face.

Back to the thread. Firelord immediately feels the energy generating off of Superman and take advantage of it.

Nip this?

Superman gets punched a few times when Hulk fights him - I'VE ALWAYS SAID THIS.

THEN uses his other powers. But if he feels with punch one that Hulk is going to beat him, then he uses his other powers.

I've always said this.

Scans of Firelord doing this?